Talk:Transgender sex workers

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 27 August 2020 and 10 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lyz.Merola.

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This is where I need to see your possible topics, outline, bibliography.Ingrid.bego (talk) 14:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Overall I really love the direction your topic is going. I think it is a topic that needs addressing. I do believe you could add more information to all of your sections to make it a more well-rounded article. In your section on HIV I think it would be interesting if you covered the impact on the industry overtime, as now there are more resources for treatment and research. It would be interesting to see how that impacted it over time. The article seems very readable and I think it will be beneficial to have on wiki. Your sources seem okay and it is nice a lot of them have links so readers can find access to them for more information. If you wanted to add another section, or just add to the poverty/unemployment, it would be interesting to talk about the different societal stances on transgender people and the transgender sex industry. Looking forward to seeing how the article turns out! Mkbarnwell (talk) 17:52, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree with the review above. I love how organized your article is. The only thing I would add in that regard is to bold the name of the topic in the introduction section. Also, adding more content to the article will be important. It could be cases, it could be research on cross-national solutions to these issues. It depends on what you want to research at this point. Hopefully, someone else will add to it in the future. Make sure to edit well as there are still some grammatical mistakes. Good job.Ingrid.bego (talk) 04:03, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Did you give it some thought on whether to use the term 'prostitute' or 'sex worker'? What did the literature say and use?Ingrid.bego (talk) 16:59, 5 December 2016 (UTC) There are still statements that are not sourced. In the last section, I would eliminate this sentence, as it is seems like speculation, unless you have a source to support it. "This violence may be motivated by perpetrators hatred or negative attitudes toward transgender people."Ingrid.bego (talk) 17:08, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Updating the article

Hi everyone! I am going to be working on this article over the next few months to help improve it as a part of one of my classes. I am eager to get started and I would love to hear any feedback that you have about the changes that I make! Brookeenglish (talk) 06:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Initial Review

Article did a good job of expanding the existing sections in a neutral and well-cited manner. It also draws on different countries as sources, not just relying on one country to describe the entire issue. I was particularly impressed by how easy the article was to understand, even without a large background of knowledge in both transgender issues and sex worker issues. One thing that I would look out for is integrating paragraphs that talk about overall transgender issues – they serve to introduce overall trends, but make sure that they don’t become to stand alone from the whole article. As I have said before, there is definitely going to be a lot of interesting research out there on policy and people’s efforts. Make sure to keep up the good work. It would be easy to lose neutrality going forward. Anyway, great job Brooke! Akweaver32 (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Second Peer Review

Hi, Brookeenglish! I think your work helped to make this article both accessible and comprehensive. The article is very well-researched, with claims supported by evidence. A suggestion that I have to further improve the article is to consider its organizational structure. It might make sense to rename the “Current state” section (perhaps as “Overview”) and include the “Causes and effects” section there, as a subsection. “Health issues” and “Discrimination” could then follow as separate sections, as they are specific issues affecting the community.

Also, you could consider providing more country-specific information about transgender sex workers, if available, to give a global scope to the article. Currently, the article has specific information about only the U.S. Again, thank you for your work on this topic; I look forward to reading your final contribution. Khanzar (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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List of sources from a draft page:

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Transgender sex worker/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 00:37, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:37, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

• The term transgender refers to a diverse population: "diverse" seems out of place in a definitional sentence like this.
• Suggest defining or linking "transmasculine" and "transfeminine" on first use; their meaning won't be obvious to some readers.
• The National Transgender Discrimination Survey sounds like a US publication; I'm going to guess that the scope of the data is restricted to the US, which means the first sentence of the "Overview" section should be changed to make the scope clear.
• These statistics reveal that more transmasculine people participate in the sex industry more than previously expected: you have "more" twice, but why "expected"? I think this refers to the rest of the sentence, in which case I'd cut "especially", since that's the only reason given.
• How much of the article generally relies on US research? And does the language of the article reflect that at all points? For example, the sentence on support groups refers to a San Francisco group; does the other citation give global data? Similarly, the statement that "prohibitory laws and ordinances still exist" is supported by a US-only reference.
• Transgender sex workers worldwide are at higher risk of contracting HIV and other STIs as well: This seems to be supported just be one Indonesian study, which isn't enough to make such a broad statement.

I'm going to pause the review here to wait for a response on the question of how global the coverage is supposed to be. Generally the prose seems quite clean, and the sources are high quality. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 04:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Brookeenglish, just checking: are you still planning to work on the article? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:02, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mike Christie, yes I am planning to work on it! Sorry for the delays in getting back to you, I've been out of town the past few days and haven't had a chance to make the edits yet. Brookeenglish (talk) 22:28, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

No problem; glad to hear from you. Are you (or were you) one of Diana Strassmann's students, by the way? I've been impressed by the work Diana's classes have done. Anyway, let me know what you think about the global vs. U.S. coverage issue; we may be limited by what sources exist, of course. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

And by the way, to ping someone with the {{u}} template, as you tried to do above, use a pipe symbol instead of a colon: {{u|Mike Christie}}, not {{u:Mike Christie}}. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:35, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Brooke, are you still planning to work on this article? If you're busy, it might be best to work on it away from the GA process, without a deadline. I'd be happy to give you feedback on the article prior to another nomination. I'll wait another week; if I don't hear from you I'll fail the article then. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

No response, so I am failing this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:55, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 27 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 01:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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Transgender sex worker → Transgender sex workers – This was moved by Brookeenglish in 2017 to be consistent with Sex worker. However, that misses an important distincton. "Sex worker" is an occupation (or broad description for a set of occupations). "Transgender sex worker", however, is not. Transgender sex workers are sex workers who happen to be transgender. Their significance is as a group, not as an occupation, as born out by the articles' sources. Per WP:NCPLURAL, articles on groups usually have plural titles, so the previous title here should be restored. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 01:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Move It makes sense to move, as the article is referring to a group Roma enjoyer (talk) 09:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. This is about a group of people rather than the occupation itself. --Spekkios (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The nominator's logic is persuasive. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.