Talk:Tracy Caulkins/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 10:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I can finish the review this morning, but I should be able to get back to this later in the week if not tonight.

Most of the external links in the footnotes are dead: I was going to list them individually but it seems to be all of CNN and SI. I'd suggest using archive.org to archive these when you relocate the pages; you can get archive.org to make a permanent copy and then use that link in the citation -- see here.

Mike, this is the same issue we experienced with Catie Ball's footnotes -- Sports Illustrated has repeatedly changed the addresses for their "Vault" archive articles over the last several years, and it has become a significant article maintenance issue. I have updated the links for all but one of the SI articles, and I am still searching for a current link for it. If I can't find it in the SI Vault, then I will utilize the Wayback Machine to link to the old version of the article. I have also double-checked the current functionality of all of the other footnotes, and updated all of their retrieval dates to the present. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can see that's going to be a nuisance for all sports articles. I think they're now all fixed except one: footnote 4 is still broken for me. Also, www.aasullivan.org is down for me -- I can't reach any page there. Does it work for you? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The AAU link is the official Sullivan Award website, and it appears that the whole website is down. I left the official AAU link on the assumption that it will start working again in the future. I have also added two additional New York Times footnotes that substantiate the factual assertions in those two sentences. If you think we should delete the AAU to comply with the GA criteria, I understand. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's OK; there's no reason not to think that it's a temporary glitch. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A comment: she set so many U.S. records that I don't think it's reasonable to ask that they all be mentioned in the text, and I understand it's going to be hard to source the non-metric ones well enough to come up with a complete table. I think this would be necessary for FA, though.

Coming up with a comprehensive list of American swimming records is problematic because no one -- including USA Swimming and the ISHOF -- maintain a current online list of such records. I have reached out to both USA Swimming and the ISHOF to see if they can provide a PDF list or lists by email. These lists would be helpful not only for this particular article, but numerous others. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More comments:

How about adding a mention of Amy in the personal life paragraph, sourced to footnote 3? She was a competitive swimmer and athlete too, and I think it's relevant family background.

I have added two sourced references to Amy Caulkins, together with links to supporting footnotes. I have also added a section-specific wiki link for Amy Caulkins' mini bio in the List of University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame members. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That looks good. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"In an international duel meet held in Austin, Texas in January 1984": unless I'm misreading it, the source says this is a 26-nation meet. I assume "duel" is a typo for "dual" here, meaning a two-nation meet?

Nice catch. Your reading of the linked article was correct: 26-nation invitational meet, not a USA vs. GDR dual meet. I have corrected the text, and added an SI article footnote that discusses the meet result in greater detail. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Other than the two remaining broken footnotes, that's everything I can see; this is a clean article. -- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Christie: Thanks for your keen eye and constructive criticism. I think all of the issues you have raised above have now been addressed. Please let me know if you have any additional questions, issues, etc. As always, it's a pleasure to work with you, and I greatly appreciate your value added. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Everything looks good; passing GA. Just a note on the SI articles; I checked on footnote 4 and it appears that when the article is in multiple pages, the Wayback Machine only archives the page you give it to archive, so pages 2 and 3 are not available. In this case it doesn't matter because I think the first page sources what is needed from the article, but just FYI. Another nice swimming article. I'll see if I can get to the third one over the next week or so. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]