Talk:Toyota Crown

Super Saloon

How was the Super Saloon trim level introduced in both the 4th and 5th models?

Rory096

05:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The AMI badge on the fifth model refers to Australian Motor Industries. This suggests it was assembled in Australia.Gavo123 09:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Generations

Why does this start at the RS30? The first Crown was the RS in 1955, which was superseded by the RS20, which was superseded by the RS30. Need to mention the early Crown's relationship to the Super RH, Master RR, Masterline RS, Crown Eight and Century. Stepho-wrs 10:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Detailed not technical

18-Oct-2007: I have been editing several technical articles (such as "Discrete Fourier transform") to add simplified wording, but the article "Toyota Crown" is not too technical, just detailed in content. The article doesn't even mention "spark plug" (or "axle"). Actual overly technical articles typically have more than 3 rare terms in a sentence (such as aquifer, aquitard & aquiclude) or contain several mathematical formulas; however, this article doesn't involve any of those technical issues. I have removed tag "{{technical}}" and suggested writing a more detailed analysis as to why the article is troublesome. Please don't tag an article as "technical" just because it contains detailed information. -Wikid77 04:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Iraq connection

"In Baghdad and the major cities of southern Iraq, the Toyota Crown has become the signature of Shiite Muslim militiamen..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreznick (talk • contribs) 00:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with editing Wikipedia, but felt that this article should be incorporated in this subject.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/06/iraq-a-duck-tha.html

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IRAQ: A duck that strikes fear in the hearts of Iraqis

By Raheem Salman in Baghdad and a special correspondent in Basra

Few things strike fear in the heart of an Iraqi quite like an inconspicuous sedan known locally as a Batta --Duck, in Arabic.

In Baghdad and the major cities of southern Iraq, the Toyota Crown has become the signature of Shiite Muslim militiamen, who stuff their hapless victims into its roomy trunk and speed away.

Once, I was driving back from the southern city of Basra with a Times driver when we spotted one of these cars parked next to the highway with five young men inside. Our hearts started pounding. Sure enough, when we drove past them, they gave chase.

Their car was so fast that they managed to overtake us and block the road. But my driver swerved into the dirt and drove around them. Still, they didn’t give up. My driver’s face was pale, and he was shaking. He veered again to avoid a pothole and banged his head against the roof of the car.

"I can’t move my neck!" he shouted.

"Keep driving," I told him. "It’s a matter of life and death!"

The Batta was gaining on us, when suddenly we faced two trucks in front of us. One was trying to pass the other and taking up the entire road. Again, my driver slammed his foot on the accelerator and swerved off the road to overtake them. He then checked the rear-view mirror and laughed with relief.

"Raheem, they returned back!" he shouted.

We made it home safely that day.

The Batta is so notorious that songs have been written about it.

"We are afraid of the Opel (a car favored by Sunni gunmen) and the Batta. We are afraid of the jaish (army) and the shurtta (police)," goes one ditty.

For Ghassan Abdullah Suaiman, the Batta is like a "bad omen." He worked as a barber in Basra until the day that four masked gunmen pulled up in front of his shop in a Batta and ordered him to quit what they regarded as a sacrilegious profession.

He then started working as a taxi driver. One day, when he was looking for passengers, he saw a group of gunmen drive up to a cleric in a Batta and kill him along with an associate.

"I don’t like this car at all," Suaiman said.

For years, the gunmen had almost free rein in the lawless cities of the south.

The Iraqi security forces "weren’t doing anything to the gunmen who were killing or kidnapping, even when it happened right near their checkpoints," said Rafid Kareem, a pharmacist in the city of Amarah. "Even if they found some weapons inside a Batta, they would not take any action if (the occupants) told them they were from this or that party. Of course, if they did do anything against them, their lives would have been in danger."

A policeman in Basra, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to journalists, conceded that he never used to stop Battas when they passed through his checkpoint.

"We were afraid of the people using the Batta," he said. "Large numbers of Battas passed through our checkpoint in which there were gunmen, but we couldn’t stop them, punish them or even question them."

However, things have started to change since the government poured reinforcements into Basra in late March to crack down against militiamen. Now, owning one of these cars is an invitation to be searched.

"Checkpoints are always stopping me to ask about the car documents," grumbled Wisam Adil Salim, who has driven a Batta for years. "This is tiresome to me. My documents are legal."

The car’s fearsome reputation occasionally leads to misunderstandings.

A captain in the government’s Facilities Protection Service, who also asked not to be identified, said he lived in constant fear of assassination. As he was walking home one day, a Batta with no license plate pulled up alongside him with three men inside.

"I didn’t know how to behave," he said. Confused thoughts raced through his mind: "I’m going to be shot! I have no weapon!"

"I was thinking to grab a piece of brick or even a handful of dirt," he said. "But one of them asked me: "Please, where is the Qais the Martyr medical center?"

The captain said it took him more than a week to get over the fright.

A traffic police officer, who was also too afraid to give his name, said he thought the gunmen deliberately used the vehicle when they committed atrocities, so that people would quake at the mere sight of them.

"During this security campaign, hundreds of such cars were seized, as they have no legal documents," the officer said. "After that, the rate of crimes decreased a lot."

Photo: Just the sight of a Toyota Crown is enough to strike fear in the hearts of Iraqis. The vehicle is favored by Shiite Muslim militiamen. Credit: Saad Khalaf / Los Angeles Times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreznick (talk • contribs) 00:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

This article isn't very reliable in my eyes, especially since the accompanying image is of a Toyota Mark II rather than a Crown.  Mr.choppers | ✎  06:52, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Class

If it's true that "Toyota Crown is set to rival the european BMW 5 series, Mercedes E-class, Audi A6", Crown cannot be "full-size luxury sedans" aka F-class. It is rather executive car aka E-class then! Netrat (talk) 17:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Toyota's Fallback in Interior Design

Interior Design: From 2004 up till 2007 Toyota was extinguished for its newly designed eye-catching interiors amongst the rival Japanese car industries, however from 2007 up their interior designs and quality fellback significantly. If you compare the interior design of the latest Crown model to that of its predecessor you will notice that the quality of the interior has fallen back, as the older model has better finishing, finer materials and more modern looks. I know Toyota is going towards having their own stamp in interiors as they were accused by many to have soul-less dull interiors but I think they are heading in the wrong way. This “Fallback” in interior quality may be due to the major economic crises but I think rival car manufacturers are catching up with their newly introduced cars and this might affect Toyota’s customer market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.90.22 (talk) 06:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Class

(Sorry if some of my grammar is wrong,I'm not a native speaker.) I agree with User Netrat BMW 5 series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Audi A6 all of them are Mid-size Luxury Car. And if you read the article Car classification. You will see that "Executive Car" in UK and "Full-size luxury car" in US is a different 2 class (not the same class). The "Full-size luxury car" in US is equal to "Luxury Car" in UK, and "Executive Car" in UK is equal to "Full-size ORDINARY car" and "Mid-size luxury car" in US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.122.117 (talk) 07:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Shinjin Crown from South Korea

Locally assembed Shinjin Crown was produced from May 1967 until July 1972. This information can be found at 기업연혁: 신진자동차 (Daewoo Bus Company History: Shinjin Automobile). Rjluna2 (talk) 01:34, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

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Toyopet Crown & Toyota Crown

I have attempted to include information in the article re the use of the Toyopet Crown name, only to have these changes reverted as being "Way too confusing". Unfortunately history is confusing! Our job is to explain the situation so that readers are not confused.

The Crown was introduced as the Toyopet Crown, later exported as the Toyota Crown, and, from the fourth generation onwards, sold in all markets as the Toyota Crown. This needs to be clear in the article. I propose to put these changes back in. GTHO (talk) 22:39, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

The vehicle name is "Crown" that was sold under the Toyopet brand in Japan for the first few generations and under the Toyota brand for later generations and outside of Japan. The only part that we disagree on is whether "Toyopet" / "Toyota" is part of the model name or part of the model name. This is similar to the Nissan vs Datsun argument. I believe that to pepper all the early Toyota articles with AKA is not productive. However, I have no problem with the sentence that you added in the lead saying that the early generations in Japan were sold under the Toyopet brand.

PS: the reference you added was good. I formatted the reference properly but the sentence you added needs to be reworded to avoid WP:COPYVIO.  Stepho  talk  02:52, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

There is no disagreement over the fact that Toyopet and Toyota are make names and that Crown is a model name, only over the need to make it clear in the article that the make name of the Crown was originally Toyopet, was then Toyopet or Toyota depending on market and has been Toyota since the fourth generation model. The make name changes are a part of Crown history, and to leave them out of the article means we are not giving the reader the whole story.

As it stands we have the Toyopet name used (quite rightly) in a number of image captions but no proper explanation of why this is the case. Use of the "aka" line in various infoboxes would go a long way towards resolving this. Note that clarifying cases like Toyopet Crown v Toyota Crown is very much why "aka" was included in the "Infobox automobile" template, as is outlined at Template:Infobox automobile under the heading AKA, the wording being "The AKA (also known as) field lists vehicles that are essentially the same as the subject vehicle, but are sold in other countries under a different brand and/or model name."

I am seeking agreement, and ideally co-operation, in making changes which will remove the current ambiguities which exist in the article. GTHO (talk) 02:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I have made the relevant changes to the article. GTHO (talk) 09:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I am not necessarily opposed to including "Toyopet Crown" in the infobox for the relevant generations. Did any English-speaking markets beyond the first generation use the Toyopet name? If not, then those sections ought to be named Toyota Crown with Toyopet as an AKA, per the automobile project naming standards. Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  22:51, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Toyota Crown (S235) in China

The Toyota Crown (S235) will be launched in China on 2024. Bachelor 200 (talk) 10:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

BH26/28

For the recently added mentions of the BH26 Patrol car and the BH26 ambulance based on the first generation RS Crown, please see Talk:Toyota SA#Factory custom vehicles and talk:Toyota AA#Police patrol cars. I need to hunt up the archived URLs of the relevant sources.  Stepho  talk  11:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)