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"cultural references"

Probably not the best of section titles, since the topic itself is a "cultural" matter by nature of being a concept from Wuxia fiction.

it originates in Chinese Wuxia fiction
it was adopted in kung fu movies (which are basically an extension of classical Wuxia to a modern medium)
it made an appearance in shady 1960s to 1980s neo-Ninja bullshido
since the 1990s (?) it serves as a kind of campy pop-culture cliché used even outside of its original genre (but is this notable)?

--dab (𒁳) 13:01, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

since the best kung fu movies are bona fide choreographed martial arts as well as camp and (self-)parody, I find it difficult to draw any line between "real" and "parodistic" use of the concept. Perhaps it is best to look at it chronologically. The turning point seems to be Blood Sport in 1988. This was probably the last time the concept could be used without appearing as self-parody. After this, it was still freely used in bona fide kung fu movies such as Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (which of course do not make the slightest attempt of appearing in any way 'reality-based'), but it also started being used outside of the narrow kung fu genre.

I don't know if Kill Bill or Kung Fu Panda should be considered "real" examples of Wuxia or as parody. Probably nobody knows because there is no kind of delineation between "real" and "parodistic" here to begin with. --dab (𒁳) 13:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dim Mak vs. Touch of Death

Rlawhorn (talk) 23:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)January 8, 2014[reply]

The Dim Mak page is riddled with inaccuracies, assumptions, poor translations, and the overall content mixes pop culture with the true art of Dim Mak. Some factual content exists, when it deals strictly in reality, but to take a movies interpretation and treat it as factual is very damaging. I propose you could keep your Touch of Death page for the legend, rumor, and fraudulent use of the term, but I suggest that a separate page be made called Dim Mak Marital Art and to begin to consolidate the facts relating to the Chinese program. Ninjutsu and other arts may be based on the knowledge, but it does not form the basis of history or practice in reality.

OK but you can't just remove big chunks of content without a reasonable explanation. I suggest that you start writing a draft of the new article at Draft:Dim Mak (martial art) and then get some feedback from other knowledgeable editors such as at Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts. ... discospinster _talk 23:05, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I will draft and pull the factual content if you are forcing me to modify the page you have. As stated earlier, the other option is to create a new page called Dim Mak Martial Arts and you can keep the Touch of Death as a reference to fraud, pop culture, rumor, etc. Which option would you suggest. I am sure that Dim Mak Martial Art for facts, and Touch of Death for uneducated group think would clarify many discrepancies. The state that it is in right now assumes that any rumor I start about other arts can be the overarching theme for them, since this one has been singled out. Please let me know which way you would like for me to proceed.Rlawhorn (talk) 23:12, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about the sport to make suggestions on content. My concern is making sure that such significant changes are worked through at a reasonable pace rather than all at once. All I can recommend is writing a draft version and then asking other editors from martial arts backgrounds for review. ... discospinster _talk 23:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Claim to Shaolin 72 Arts Inclusion

I encountered a series of translated articles in Gong Fu Magazine #7-10 (2004) from a Chinese original apparently written by a Jin Jing Zhong in 1934 in Tanjin. This details a Dian Xue Shu: Skill of Acting on Acupoints, and includes supposed training for non-contact applications. According to this document, training begins with a carved dummy marked with red points which the student targets after covering fingerpoints in while chalk, including at night in darkness after alleged darkness training, then proceeds to the targeting of silk balls, bags of rice and then iron shot, finally to candles and even incense sticks to be extinguished while behind barriers including iron sheet to simulate the interposition of armour. While unbelievable, the articles purport to be older Chinese originals rather than appearing to be simple modern fraud, though they may be, and should be looked into. ~~ Passerby — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.142.102 (talk) 20:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of the author can be found here: https://www.kungfulibrary.com/about-72-shaolin-arts.htm

The book is also given on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Shaolin-Heritage-Training-Methods/dp/1440474176

89.240.142.102 (talk) 20:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)Passerby[reply]

Looks like there's an actual download here, for now: https://www.pdfdrive.com/training-methods-of-72-arts-of-shaolin-tanjin-1934-d18076184.html 89.240.142.102 (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)Passerby[reply]

Had a flick through the book, and its a separate document by the same author, though also mentioned online. No definite translator or editor is given in the version in Gong Fu Magazine, though five translators are given in the margin of the first page. 89.240.142.102 (talk) 21:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BBC Documentary Demonstration

Dim Mak was also demonstrated in the BBC documentary series 'Mind, Body and Kick-Ass Moves', and the docu deserves mention. The episodes are available in the YouTube channel of the same name, though I forget which one Dim Mak was shown in: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2jyU0vqGmjcFeRVzYrzamw/videos 89.240.142.102 (talk) 21:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]