Talk:Torte

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--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 22:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Article is a mess

This article needs to be cleaned up. There is too much about the extremes that tortes & torte-making can go to, and too much trivia in general. When a wedding cake collapses it is called "a disaster"? (And for birthday cakes it's "catastrophe"?) Needs some editing. 165.124.70.189 18:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree 76.173.183.91

definition of torte is not quite right

Yes, I agreed. Also, the article represents a personal view of the word "torte" which does not conform to the accepted definition, which means a cake made with ground nuts or even bread crumbs, but is by no means a layered cake. Many European tortes, in fact, are not layered at all. NaySay 23:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

other concenrs about the definition

Hi, I am German and was wondering about the line in the introduction stating that "Torte" has somewhat a different meaning in German. To my knowledge, torte (in German) describes a layered cake or a sponge base with a topping (fruits, cream etc). Why is this different from the meaning in this article? Also, NaySay, what kind of definition would you suggest? JaninaM (talk) 08:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. In fact, this page is really equivalent to gateau, in that it is a word from a language other than English, that has been borrowed to express a meaning which English lacks: a single word for a rich or fancy cake. Interestingly, "Gateau" has been merged with "Cake", and I suspect this is because it has been borrowed for longer, whereas the common use of "Torte" in English seems to be more recent, hence the debates over its meanings/ingredients.OnHawkspur (talk) 07:04, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

What is the relation of torte to layer cake? --kupirijo (talk) 19:06, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

German Torte does'nt exist in cuisine

The German (and Austrian) TORTE doesn't exist in French originated international CUISINE, because the German Torte is - if any - part of French Patisserie, what is often served as a dessert. German TORTE with cream or buttercream is less or more unique and has its own time to eat and enjoy. The French tarte is a round cake with fruits. A TORTE is a gâteau rond à la crème - a round cake filled with cream. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:638:607:205:0:0:0:30 (talk) 15:28, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

wedding cakes?

Why is there a section on wedding cakes here? Wedding cakes are not, in general, tortes. I suppose they can be, but this section just contains general stuff about wedding cakes, so I don't see how it fits here. Klausness (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Flour?

The citation for the first sentence did not mention anything about there specifically being no flour in tortes just that the often have ground nuts or bread crumbs I have change this sentence to reflect the actual content of the resource.
The original wording: "A torte is a cake made primarily with eggs, sugar, and ground nuts instead of flour. Variations may include bread crumbs as well as some flour." CitizenofPanem (talk) 23:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

sorry, but "A torte is made with little to no flour, but instead with ground nuts or breadcrumbs, " is just plain wrong. there are a few that do not use much flour, but that is far from a general rule. 87.152.173.76 (talk) 23:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte

This is listed as an example of a torte in the article, but the link takes us to black forest gateau (or black forest cake as also apparently known). Surely this is not really a torte in the sense that this (English language) article defines it. It's a cake (or a gateau) and is made with flour. Perhaps the confusion lies in mistranslation - I don't speak German, but it seems perhaps their definition of Torte is not parallel with our own and includes things that I believe shouldn't be included here. 80.5.200.201 (talk) 21:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Need better definition

The current article doesn't differentiate clearly between a cake/gateau and a torte. I suspect that in fact there is no clear distinction, only that some cakes (especially from Central Europe) are called tortes and others are not. Some tortes are made with ground nuts, but many are not. Most tortes are multi-layered. Most tortes are frosted. But a Linzertorte is not multilayered and not frosted. Historically, it seems that a torte was simply anything baked in a round cake pan and (later) glazed with a sugar glaze.

I'm also puzzled by the mention of "French tortes", since the word torte is not used in French to mean a kind of cake. French has tourte, which is usually a meat pie, and tarte, which is a tart. Who decided that Gâteau St. Honoré is a torte?

The Oxford Companion to Food simply says that "Torte" is a German term that appears in the name of some cakes... as does Kuchen. So maybe this article should be merged with cake? After all, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. --Macrakis (talk) 01:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)