Talk:Tonk (card game)

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someone might want to bring in the ties to African-American culture, I've played the game thousands of times but only when with African-Americans most other cultures/races I come across have little to no knowledge of the game... if I'm not mistaken it was popularized by jazz musicians in the 30-40's...

I've played Tonk with African-Americans from all over the United States. While serving in he US Navy, I played with one or two white guys. I can't remember if they learn the game there or knew it already. I'm sure this is an African-American game. It is almost always played for money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:9700:1FA0:101:C00C:232B:82F3 (talk) 05:37, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Dropping

"You can drop out before play begins; but if you throw down a spread. you must wait at least three turns if you get with a card.each hit counts as 3 turns."

This is under the dropping section. If I knew what this was supposed to mean I would fix the syntax and punctuation, but I do not. If anyone does this could use some cleaning up. WesUGAdawg (talk) 22:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

When playing Tonk for money, you probably would never use the wait 3 times after being hit. You might use that rule if you were just playing for fun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:9700:1FA0:101:C00C:232B:82F3 (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Bridging the gap

K A 2 suited is currently listed as being a legal meld. However, looking at the history it used to say it is NOT a legal combination. I am pretty sure that "Bridging the Gap" is a house rule that some people use and not a definitive rule for the game. I will change it to reflect this possible variation unless someone has a definitive rule listing that says otherwise.WesUGAdawg (talk) 21:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Introduction being edited

An (?) anonymous user is repeatedly editing the introduction to change the origin. If they have a source to attest the origin (unlikely) they should please provide such a source. Mtb-za (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I do not have any sources except to say I was playing tonk in high school and graduated in 1977. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.126.47.131 (talk) 18:26, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Stefancic reference

User:Gregorytopov removed this reference as having "nothing to do with this game". Was this verified by checking the source? I can't find a copy that's searchable online, but it seems entirely plausible that a book of black history in the US might mention a card game "popular with blues and jazz musicians in southern Louisiana in the 1930s". --Lord Belbury (talk) 08:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

The motivation for removing the reference was the description of the cited reference. This gives the impression it's about a topic entirely unrelated to card games, and there is no suggestion that it might be a reliable source about a card game, or that the card game is even mentioned:

"This tightly edited volume contains the finest, highly accessible articles in the fast-growing legal genre of critical race theory--a field which is changing the way this nation looks at race, challenging orthodoxy, questioning the premises of liberalism, and debating sacred wisdoms. Including treatments of two new, exciting topics--Critical Race Feminism and Critical White Studies--this volume is truly on "the cutting edge." Questions for discussion and reading suggestions after each part make this volume essential for those interested in law, the multiculturalism movement, political science, and critical thought. In this wide-ranging second edition, Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic bring together the finest, most illustrative, and highly accessible articles in the fast-growing legal genre of Critical Race Theory. In challenging orthodoxy, questioning the premises of liberalism, and debating sacred wisdoms, Critical Race Theory scholars writing over the past few years have indelibly changed the way America looks at race. This edition contains treatment of all the topics covered in the first edition, along with provocative and probing questions for discussion and detailed suggestions for additional reading, all of which set this fine volume apart from the field. In addition, this edition contains five new substantive units--crime, critical race practice, intergroup tensions and alliances, gay/lesbian issues, and transcending the black-white binary paradigm of race. In each of these areas, groundbreaking scholarship by the movement's founding figures as well as the brightest new stars provides immediate entry to current trends and developments in critical civil rights thought."

However I cannot confirm the absence of all mention of Tonk, because I don't have access to the source. I'm happy to have the source added back in if it was removed in error, and does reference Tonk. But I'd like some level of certainty before seeing this source reinstated, since this just appears to be a book about critical race theory. Can we be confident it wasn't added in as a shill plug for that particular work, and is there some way we can be sure that it actually refers to Tonk in some way? Gregorytopov (talk) 07:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It was added in 2009, to support the statement that the game is "considered an Afro-American" rummy variant (and possibly also to support the alternate spelling?) - which sounds about right for a book about "the way America looks at race". I'd assume good faith of the editor who added it. --Lord Belbury (talk) 09:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I've found an alternate source which refers to the game as "Tunk", and have provided that, without removing the Stefancic reference. Gregorytopov (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)