Talk:Tomislavgrad

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Redid the article and added sources, as it was before it was clearly written by someone biased to Croatia and with poor knowledge of the history of the region.

925

"who was crowned in this area in 925 as the king of Croatia"

"It is commonly accepted theory that coronation assembly of King Tomislav was placed in the 925 at that area. The permanent symbols of Croatian power was Croatian royal crown which was, besides sword and shield, sent by the pope John X."

This is just a construct. Let me explain:

Pope calls Tomislav "rex" in his 925 letter, a Croatian ruler was never called rex before
According to Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja, some Croat/Slavic ruler was crowned on the Duvno field (Delminium)

It's not clear that the story is about Tomislav, it's not clear that Tomislav was crowned in 925 (it could be some years earlier), it's not clear that he was crowned at all (other author says the first king was someone else) so the preceding sentence is really a non sequitur. Sorry, this is just a popular legend. dnik ► 13:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Native name

@Surtsicna: First of all - Bosnia and Herzegovina doesn't have "official scripts".

Having that in mind, we see that the parameter in question designates: "Name in the official local language, if different from the name, and if not English. This will display under the name/official name" (Template:Infobox settlement).

The question is, what is the official local language there? According to the local constitution, the official languages are Croatian and Bosniak language, while the sole official script is Latin (Article 10 of the local Constitution: Službeni jezici Županije su hrvatski i bošnjački jezik. Službeno pismo je latinica.). Claiming other than that would be Original research.

Part of the local constutution was nulled by the Constitutinal Court of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Arts. 4, 8, 9 and 78). So the quoted article is very well still in force ([1]).

Second - The Cyrillic alphabet can hardly be characterised as native to Tomislavgrad, but even if it was native, the Latin script would be one of the native scripts as well.

And after all, don't we already have the Cyrillic script in the lead of the article?

In conclusion, you would need to prove that the Cyrillic script is the official script at the local level. If you can do that, I don't mind changing the infobox.

--Governor Sheng (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cyrillic is used in Bosnia, but is their a source for it being the “native name” of the city? This seems to have been removed by many different editors but is restored by one. I can understand that names of places in Bosnia use both Latin and Cyrillic script. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But to claim original, again, should have a source for the infobox.OyMosby (talk) 20:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The entities of Bosnia and Herzegovina have official scripts: Cyrillic and Latin. Cyrillic has been an official script in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, of which Tomislavgrad is a part, since 2002. The Latin script is, of course, native as well, but the parameter (as noted) is meant for the "name in the official local language if different from the name". The Latin script version already appears in the heading of the infobox, bolded, so there is no need for it to reappear right below the heading. This in no way implies to the reader that the Latin script version is not also native because the reader does not even see the said designation. There is no reason for the article about Tomislavgrad to be treated differently than the articles about the other municipalities of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Surtsicna (talk) 22:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The entities do have official scripts, however, Wikipedia uses the local official script as the native name, and the most local official script is Latin, as I have demonstrated above. Your argumentation thus is wrong. Choosing the entity's constitution over the country's or the canton's constitution is arbitrary, without any logic. If you want to imply that somehow lower constitution "supplements" the one above it, then please apply the same logic here. Governor Sheng (talk) 18:02, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]