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A fact from Tom Dorrien-Smith appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that whilst serving in the Royal Navy during World War II, Tom Dorrien-Smith, a former leaseholder of Tresco, was involved in the sinking of the Bismarck?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Dorrien-Smith.

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:31, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that whilst serving in the Royal Navy during World War II, former leaseholder of Tresco Tom Dorrien-Smith was involved in the sinking of the Bismarck? Source: "His war service included the sinking of the Bismark. He served in the Royal Navy from 1927 to 1946" Mumford, Clive, ed. (1974). "Scillonians Shocked By Sudden Death At 60 Of Chairman Of Islands' Council Lt. Cdr. Tom Dorrien-Smith". The Scillonian. No. 196. pp. 232–238.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Keith Sheen

Created by HenryTemplo (talk). Self-nominated at 06:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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Cited: - not at the sentence end
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hi HenryTemplo. I have one question: This Nationa Portrait Gallery source does not seem to me to support all the info that it is being cited for. Maybe it is my browers having hiccups again, but all I can find on that page is Thomas Mervyn Smith-Dorrien-Smith (1913-1973), Lieutenant-Commander; Justice of the Peace; son of Arthur Algernon Smith-Dorrien-Smith. Basic info that's certainly accurate, but where does it e.g. say anything about his siblings? If you need more sources about him, there are a few more around (mostly passing mentions, but still): [1], [2] [3].

For this to be approved, you also need to repeat the citation about the Bismarck directly at the end of the sentence; it can't be only at the paragraph end. –LordPeterII (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In answer to your question, I'm only using the NPG source to provide an online source for some basic information about Tom Dorrien-Smith, and I'm using it in conjunction with the far more comprehensive but offline Scillonian Magazine, which provides the information you were mentioning (Hope that makes sense!). I've also placed another inline citation for the bit about the Bismarck at the end of the sentence. Thanks for providing the other sources as well! :) HenryTemplo (talk) 19:42, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. The issue is that currently, the citations for it are placed in a way that suggests they support all of the preceding information, when in fact they only support some. There's no need for that, and it could be interpreted as breaking text-source integrity. Offline sources are 100% okay, because we have WP:AGF. Especially since this is not some hotly debated topic, where an online source could help prevent some discussion. So, maybe better remove it, or use it only for the facts that it actually supports (which is very little, maybe his name in the infobox?). You also don't seem to have duplicated the Bismarck citation yet, maybe that edit got lost? But eh, no pressure, take your time mate :) –LordPeterII (talk) 21:48, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rightio, I've sorted out the citations, feel free to take another look for the DYK review when you get the time. Thanks for for feedback, and have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 07:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, now everything is in order. Have a good day, too, and see you around :) –LordPeterII (talk) 10:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]