Talk:Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters/Archive 1

Archive 1

Official title

Note: There is no official English language title yet because the scans that are going around are from a trade catalog and are not reliable sources.—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

If you have what you think is a reliable source, post it here so we can evaluate it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Said scans include the logo, which says GO-BUSTERS in English. That's as official as it gets, regardless of the source. You're setting double standards Ryulong. Either use the English name, or this article shouldn't exist, as there's been no new info since we last discussed this. Digifiend (talk) 10:27, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

The scans that are out right now are not reliable sources because they do not come from a source that is available to the general public in Japan. It does not matter if it is an official source. We still cannot use it because it is not a reliable source that can be fact checked by anyone that is not an otaku from 2chan.

And I am not setting any double standards. This article is at a title that can be confirmed by reliable sources, namely Toei's trademark registrations on the title which we have transliterated per the guidelines set out by the English Wikipedia. We will wait for when the press for Gōbasutāzu begins in the hobby and children's magazines such as Hyper Hobby, Uchusen, Televi-Kun, and Televi Magazine. Until then, the page will have to remain at this title until we get a clear shot of the logo in an official source that is freely available to the Japanese public that isn't the otaku who post to 2chan or the other boards.—Ryulong (竜龙) 10:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

The fact that the scans are not available to the general public should give more weight to it being reliable, not less. Your logic is flawed Ryulong. I'm with Digifiend on this. If the logo is from an official source, then it is a reliable source. Shielded117 (talk) 21:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

No. That does not mean the source is reliable per the English Wikipedia's standards. I know very well that the information is true, but we cannot confirm it outside of that one image. The information has to come from reliable third-party sources. A proprietary trade catalog released by Bandai at a trade show where one person in the fan community has gone to does not pass these requirements. We can wait a month for the information to come out in sources that are reliable. As we have no way of even confirming the name of the publication (because it has never been published and we only have access to it because of an otaku in Japan), this image cannot be used as a source and we will wait a month for the hobby and kiddie magazines to update, or when the official website goes up.—Ryulong (竜龙) 21:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

And, I have been informed that WP:COMMONNAME governs this, and as there is no common name out there for this yet because it has not been officially confirmed by Bandai. All we have for reliable sources are the trademark applications and allegedly this one image, and we should not base everything on this one image. We will be moving this once more reliable sources come out. I simply do not think it should be done right now because we only have one scan from something that cannot be independently verified (the scans from actual magazines can be verified because you or I can buy it and have it in front of us).—Ryulong (竜龙) 22:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

And finally, there are no mainstream media sources that report this information. I might be wrong about the image not being a reliable source, but even if we do accept that it is reliable it is still not the most common name yet.—Ryulong (竜龙) 22:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Stop being a douche bag Ryulong. You are not the ruler of toku. Go-Busters is official. Your idiotic rantings aside, everyone knows what it's called. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.224.143 (talk) 21:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Look dude, we (especially Ryulong) know that it in fact is called Go-busters. But we just can't use it just yet, because it has only appeared in a toy catalougue. We gotta wait till it pops up in a reliable magazine (ie. Hyper Hobby or Uchusen) or wait for the Toei and/or the Tv-Asahi web site, it'll pop-up soon. So, I know its a bothersome, but we just have to wait until further notice we are going to use Go-busters eventually. ~Marvelous2011~ ( ★ AlienX2009 ★ ) 23:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. We know it's going to be "Go-Busters" but no reliable sources call it that yet. I am trying to set a standard for these pages and the industry catalog does not pass Wikipedia's standards because their content cannot be independently verified. I am well aware that it is official. It is just something we cannot use on Wikipedia. You can wait two weeks for the actual magazines to come out and we will have a better look at the logo, and you just have to deal with this title for the time being.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Protection

Right - I'll give the others 48 hours to find a source for Go-Busters - and have protected the page for the time being. If no sources are forthcoming I will revert to semi-protection until sources can be found. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Ack. You've fully protected it right after some IP added "Go-Busters" to the page.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't the official web site come up somewhere around mid-January? Its usually like at least a month before a series premieres. Actually, can't we add the fact that the name Go-busters" were used in pre-promotional materials? ~Marvelous2011~ ( ★ AlienX2009 ★ ) 01:39, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

No, we cannot say that name appeared in "pre-promotional materials" because there is no such thing. There has been no such promotional material out there, because the industry catalog is not a reliable source. But we can probably expect the information to show up in the February 2012 Televi-Kun/Televi Magazine issues which are out on December 27. The January 2012 issues are out now, too. And they seem to focus on Meteor, but we can do all the Meteor stuff on Sunday.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh the "pre-" part was a mistake. I tried to change something else, but yeah. ~Marvelous2011~ ( ★ AlienX2009 ★ ) 01:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, have rejigged protection to semi as per original request. Can probably be lifted once more information arises in mid-Jan. I am happy to be alerted at that time, or for another admin to unprotect at that time. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, someone went to my talk page to show me this photograph of the February Televi-Kun. However, that's still not out for sale for another 5 days.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Probably came from a subscriber, they get their copies early. That source is acceptable right? I see no need to wait five days (if the source will be good enough then, surely it's good enough now?), so please remove the protection. Digifiend (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, TV-Kun magazines come out pretty early depending on the location or stores. ~Marvelous2011~ ( ★ AlienX2009 ★ ) 21:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, I would prefer if we wait a few more days until the known actual release date of the magazine issue as per this.—Ryulong (竜龙) 21:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Production background

Some of the articles from the more adult fan oriented magazines mention stuff along the lines of this series being a reboot of sorts for Sentai. That it's akin to Goranger and that it's a refresh for the franchise after an anniversary series and will bring about interesting changes to the formula. should this be mentioned? Of course it can all be sourced, but it's rather interesting background information. 69.132.11.135 (talk) 19:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you can get some exact quotes from the adult-oriented magazines, we might be able to incorporate it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Now that the new Hyper Hobby issue is officially out:

ゴーバスターズは、”バスターギア”と呼ばれる専用の秘密メカを装備し、諜報活動、そして戦いに赴く。そして、ゴーバスターズのスーツは、サングラスや肩ベルトなど、スパイをモチーフに作られている。 そう、「特命戦隊ゴーバスターズ」のテーマのひとつはスパイアクション。スーパー戦隊シリーズ第１作「秘密戦隊ゴレンジャー」も、スパイ戦をメインにした物語であったことから、 「ゴーバスターズ」は新たなスーパー戦隊の第１作目、という意味合いもあるのかもしれない。

This is the text. It looks at the new gear for the team and talks about it being spy themed, then fact that Go-Busters and Gorenger are both spy themed Sentai shows and just as Gorenger was the beginning for the franchise, Go-Busters is the first series as the new beginning for the franchise. 69.132.11.135 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC).

Plot section

It should be noted that the first sentence in the plot outline is actually kind of a fumble grammatically. I think "The urban life of the city..." along with "runs on a major power source..." would be more accurate. Otherwise it just looks a bit like poorly translated lines into English. Also, "created selected a group of elite heroes..." should lose one of those two verbs. Finally, the sentence, "along with their robotic partners the Buddyloids, to combat..." doesn't need the word "to". I'd update it myself, but I've only just registered. Garth (ガース) (talk) 07:07, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that was written by Youngsevon who I believe is someone we banned a while ago. I've completely rewritten it. His edits will never be part of this or any other article, again.—Ryulong (竜龙) 10:12, 3 February 2012 (UTC)