Talk:Tokugawa Yoshimune

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Succession box

An interested editor "tweaked" the succession boxes in articles about the 15 Tokugawa shoguns; and the change became a thread topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Tokugawa shoguns. Although a corollary thread topic was posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty#Japanese shoguns, no comments or suggestions were elicited.

Aumnamahashiva substituted "regnal" succession boxes; and an plausible rationale for those edits was offered, focusing primarily on the functional sense in which the Tokugawas were hereditary autocrats. In contrast was an argument that the regnal succession box is, by definition, misapplied. Although the terms "reign" and "rule" are conventionally used by scholars, neither the Tokugawa, the Ashikaga, the Hōjō nor the Minamoto shoguns were "royalty" as that term is defined in Japanese history and culture.

Participation in this thread was limited, but I construed it as sufficient justification to restore the previous (non-regnal) succession box. This explanation and the links to soon-to-be-archived threads may prove to be helpful in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 14:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ten'ichi

Who added Ten'ichi as illegitimate child? The entire Ten'ichibou incident is complex enough to at least warrant a mention on discussion page. Among other things, research on the incident is muddled up by the 1920s novel Ooka Seidan (see e.g. https://homepages.wmich.edu/~jangles/articles/tenichibo.pdf ). For example, in actual fact it is (as far as I can tell, anyway) unclear whether Yoshimune actually acknowledged Ten'ichibou as his own. Also, Ten'ichi was not the dude's legal name, nor was Ten'ichibou; it was a name he took on which means "Best boy under the heavens" or "Best monk under the heavens"... would appreciate some clarity on its inclusion. 45.46.174.146 (talk) 01:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, my bad, the article linked is about a different telling of the story; nevertheless the version in Ooka Seidan, and in fact most versions of the tale, are a hoot too. 45.46.174.146 (talk) 01:56, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]