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August 2007

Note: This article was created September 21, 2001, but was erroneously moved to Lisa Beamer on June 19, 2007. The material relating to Todd was then cut and pasted back into this article. By doing so the history was wiped out on Todd's article. For the complete history on this article prior to June 19, 2007, please see here.--04:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

FBI Phone Records

The site "Intelfiles" published a phone record from Todd Beamer on Sept 11, 2001. You can see it here: http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-29-FBI-phone-records.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.208.115.126 (talk) 11:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hijacking was not foiled

The statement that the passengers were able to "successfully foil the hijacking and reclaim the aircraft" is not correct. The hijackers crashed the plane when they believed that the passengers might be about to reclaim the plane.Royalcourtier (talk) 03:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change the following line: A hijacker shouts, "Allah akbar!" ("God is great").

The actual phrase shouted by the hijacker was, "Allahu akbar!"

Although it may sound like just, "Allah akbar", this is merely because, like in the English language, many word syllables sound shortened or missing in spoken speech. When we say, "I parked my car in the garage", it may sound like, "I park my car in-th g'rage."

"Allahu akbar" is the actual phrase shouted. Nangasaur (talk) 07:07, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The wording in the article is what the source reflects. Do you have a source to back up what you're saying? - Aoidh (talk) 07:39, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Whether they had a citeable source or not, it appears the change was implemented. Darr247 (talk) 04:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC) Darr247 (talk) 04:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Messed up citations?

I did some minor copyediting and in the process, I fear I may have screwed up the citations. I "undid" my own edit, but I'm not sure that helped (note to self: learn more about citations). Could someone double-check? ChiHistoryeditor (talk) 23:37, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recitation of Psalms and storming of the cockpit

There is a purported transcript of Todd Beamer's phone call circulating on social media, but it appears to be fake. It is unsourced everywhere it appears, and contradicts information given at https://www.nps.gov/flni/learn/historyculture/phone-calls-from-flight-93.htm . We will need to be vigilant for attempts to add it to this article and the United Airlines Flight 93 article without a reliable source (while bearing in mind that most attempts will probably be made in good faith). Richard75 (talk) 16:01, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

12/23/21. I'm in total agreement. I was unable to find any credible evidence that Todd Beamer recited 2 lengthy passages of scripture during the ordeal, but some evidence that it did not happen. Please remove the reference to this from the article unless and until there is adequate sourcing—something besides what the wife said the woman who took his call said. And this includes the "Let's roll" comment. (Is there even any indication that he was among those who actually stormed the cockpit?) ChgoLarry (talk) 17:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The bit about Psalms is sourced in the article to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and The Guardian.

Although the article contains sourced content on how Beamer was among those who formed a plan to confront the hijackers, it does not say whether he or any of them succeeded in storming the cockpit. Nightscream (talk) 16:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

An editor recently changed this article and the corresponding article on Mark Bingham to add "According to popular media" to accounts of Beamer and Bingham's actions. They argued at my talkpage that the actual events were unknowable, and that "popular media" accounts were not reliable sources. I disagree - the cellphone conversations are widely documented, and there is no doubt concerning the actions, as a group, of passengers on UAL93. The article states "According to accounts of cell phone conversations," which is ample attribution and well-supported. The calls, their content,a nd the outcome are well-supported in the 9/11 report, which, however, does not mention individual names. That does not preclude the inclusion of well-documented material from other sources, or require that we waffle about it in the article. Acroterion (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]