Talk:Tobermore/Archives/2017/October

1920s Troubles

Mabaska thinks that referring to the Irish War of Independence as the first troubles or the belfast troubles or whatever the hell he wants to call it is more common and nothing more than a neologism used by a select few. Now let us all pause and take a moment to burst out laughing. Everyone, even if you have only done the most basic of reading on this topic knows this is wildly in accurate. Either Mabaska knows no history whatsoever or he is pushing his point of view on the article by implictly trying to draw a comparison between the provos and the old ira or a bit of both

Before I debunk this nonsense I would first like to take a moment to correct a different inaccuracy. The Irish War of Independence did not go on from 1920 to 1922, as the article on the subject makes clear it lasted from 1919 to the truce in july 1921. The eruption of laughter that no doubt will happen when one reads the above is only a taste of what you will experience when I am done here.

Here is the proof he has never picked up a history book in his life, the poor fellow may not even know how to read.

1. If one googles "Belfast troubles 1920-22 there are only three sources that use such a term. Proof is here. You also only get 13,000 results. If you google "Irish War of Independence Belfast" you get 420,000 results. More common? I dont think so. No doubt laughter has ensued after reading this.

The third thing I would like to speak about is the phrase "he was murdered by a booby-trap bomb", this is rubbish use of the English language. Would you say that julius caesar was murdered by daggers? That Hitler was murdered by a bullet? Now you would not.

I am sorry if you have accidentally punctured a lung due to laughter, I guess I am much too talented.Lurgan boi (talk) 15:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

There are processes called WP:BRD and WP:NPA, to which you are violating. But regardless as you a sockpuppet you also know of the Troubles restrictions and are violating it to. See you at the fortcoming SPI. Mabuska ^(talk) 17:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

In regards to terminology, user obviously did not following through the link to The Troubles (disambiguation), which states the term has been used for at least two centuries to refer to troubles in Ireland. Note I did not link Belfast in it, though why state Belfast? Well the Troubles of the early 1920s also refers to the period of the Belfast pogroms and related incidents across Ulster, which are not confined to the time period of the Irish war of independence. But regardless, the term Troubles is well established in regards to this period regardless of whether it is in regards to the war or the pogroms, and as such is not incorrect in its usage here.

And who is comparing the IRA and the PIRA by using a term used as far back as the United Irishmen rebellion? Was the IRA active then as well?? <sarcasm>

Mabuska ^(talk) 18:36, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

The sources are dogshit. The sources for that claim is some rich bastard complaining about property being destroyed. You will need better sources if you dont want to keep looking like a fucking idiot who hasnt a clue what they are talking aboutLurgan boi (talk) 18:45, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

On the contrary it is you who is making yourself look like one. Also Google is not a useful tool for comparisons due to various factors. But I suppose historian Richard English [1], Encyclopedia.com [2] (unlike Wikipedia it can't be edited by the public and is based on academia), and Dr. Niall Cunningham's works for Durham University [3] and Manchester University [4], RIchard Grayson [5], Peter Gray [6] (first link, the PowerPoint presentation one), History Ireland [7] are wrong and "dogshit"? Then throw in [8], [9], and [10].

If these sources that all make reference to Troubles between 1920 and 1922, with some even stating Belfast Troubles, are really "dogshit" then by all means please take it up with the WP:Reliable Sources Noticeboard and let them decide. Though your word against someone of Richard English's calibre never mind some of the professors listed above? Good luck.

Indeed History_of_Belfast#Conflict_1920.E2.80.931922 makes it clear that the conflict in Belfast was from 1920 to 1922 and was distinct from the Irish War of Independence.

Looks like someone else hasn't a clue. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:45, 26 October 2017 (UTC)