Talk:Tlingit nouns

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Tlingit use of CJ/Tlingit jargon

On the heels of my emendations, I looked up "Tlingit Jargon" which came up in discussions in CHINOOK-L a long time ago; teh following is an excerpt from a post by George Lang:

I don’t have any raw data on Tlingit Jargon, but I thought I might put the following notes into the record, for whatever use they might have for those interested in the far northern versant of Jargon. After the Johnson summary immediately below, they deal with others than the Tlingit, but point towards things which remain to be explored. I hope I haven't skipped too many steps.

Johnson offered some rules to explain various phonological shifts displayed in the glossaries, for example that kinds of simplication which substituted Jargon /p/ for English /b/, /p/ and /f/, and Jargon /k/ for Chinook proper /k/, /kw/, /q/, and /qw/, as well as alternative rules showing how a Tlingit speaker would deal with Jargon /l/ or /m/, transposing them respectively to /n/ and /w/ (Johnson 1978:3).

An article on Tlingit jargon would be good to have, but there appear to be almost no materials on it. I'm curious as to whether the CJ spellings overleaf are from how CJ was used in Tlingit territory, or if they are copy-overs from the modern Grand Ronde creole being promulgated by academics and culturati based there as "standard/proper CJ". CJ was spread northwards, as far as is known, by non-local natives - Americans, Britons, Iroquoian, Cree, Metis, Hawaiians - who according even to Grand Ronde promoters didn't speak it "properly" (a biased and highly POV opinion, though p.c.)....so I'd hope the spellings/IPAs overleaf are from Alaska-regional CJ use and not mirror-copies/apings of Oregonian CJ, which is highly incorrect in this context/ Chinookans did not spread CJ north, that is for certain (except perhaps as slaves....).Skookum1 (talk) 14:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow.

A 36KB page on a technical subject, with not one single working citation. —VeryRarelyStable 04:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]