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The use of other media outlets

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I noticed that most of the killings listed in this article come from a single source (this one [1]), and there is not enough coverage from other international media outlets. To improve verification and objectiveness, I would recommend for the top editors in this article to use other sources. I'm not an expert, but I've noticed that most of the article is anti-al Assad (which is fine, but just make sure to use an extensive amount of media outlets to make the point clear). It seems sort of fishy. ComputerJA (talk) 20:32, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is incredibly bias, and runs the risk of conflicting with Wikipedia's point of view standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.17.180 (talk) 05:08, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please not use LCC as a source on this page. It is known to be unreliable and conflicts with the reports issued by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which catalogues every death with verifiable name and cause of death. It is also unbiased and reports deaths of Syrian security forces, rebels & civilians alike. Also, it does not specify the civilian deaths as being caused by Assad's forces and is not a biased source (unlike LCC).Jafar Saeed (talk) 20:18, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The use of SOHR rather than LCC is more beneficial, in terms of content and reliability, to this article. I ask whoever is deleting SOHR content in favour of LCC to please refrain from doing so!78.145.243.223 (talk) 22:09, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually LCC exceeds SOHR's reliability. SOHR is made up of five people in London. LCC is made up of 1000 civilians on the ground in Syria. LCC only reported civilian and FSA death because that is what the LCC's claimed responsibility is. Sopher99 (talk) 22:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid you'll find that SOHR has huge networks of sources throughout Syria; and has names for every death taken place, relayed by sources 'on the ground'Jafar Saeed (talk) 18:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is unbelievable biased article for wikipedia standars, probably doings of a single user. For example; "29 June The Free Syrian army managed to capture a major general, Farag Shehada..." Managed? What the hell? If that is not subjective writing, then nothing is. This is supposed to be non-biased site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kepukka (talk • contribs) 17:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SOHR is more reliable than the LCC, which can be seen through the international media who have been using the last month SOHR's numbers more and more and the LCC's less and less. Not to mention that the LCC is a highly pro-opposition website which does not even count government forces dead while SOHR is a semi-pro-opposition website and counts government troops. EkoGraf (talk) 16:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Law enforcers ??

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What is a law-enforcer ? Seems to be a soldier of the syrian army, but then, why the term "law-enforcers" is used ? --Kormin (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because casualties include; soldiers, policemen & shabiha (which are not all soldiers).81.110.175.156 (talk) 22:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LCC as source

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I removed the part where it was written that the people who died were killed by the Assad army and allies, because that site did not mention it. But then my edit was reversed because that site only reported those killed by Syrian army and shabiha.

If that is true, should we stop allowing that site as source here, because it does not meet the Neutral point of view?--Andres arg (talk) 23:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No because we are permitted to use Sana to tell us the number of dead soldiers. LCC and SOHR tell us number of dead rebels and civilians, Sana the number of dead soldiers. Sopher99 (talk) 14:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sopher99 stop deleting everything! This page isn't owned by you or others.If you don't stop with that i have to spam you on wikipediaJohnswk (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When you stop vandalizing the page by calling the free syrian army terrorists on this page, I will stop reverting you. Sopher99 (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

90% of the page come from LCC "reports", qho is one of the main rebel group. This is a big violation of NPOV. The reader should be given a massive warning about the whole page as its content is garbage and propaganda in its majority. --DanielUmel (talk) 21:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thats very POV of you to say that it is propaganda. We already say in the lede that the vast majority of death tolls come from the LCC and SOHR. Sopher99 (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
this is from robert fisk in the independent - "but the daily Syrian government-controlled press (there is no other) carries front-page stories from the war front each day. The capture of "Free Syrian Army" weapons, the assassination of civilians in and around Damascus – always attributed to "terrorists", of course – and fighting speeches by government acolytes ..." so assad version is propaganda too - pity there can't be a free press daniel - and there cant be that, because the regime say soSayerslle (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, I spent HOURS editing this page with SOHR additions, and someone has deleted it all?! I'm reverting the page to the previous edition in which all the SOHR accounts were present.Jafar Saeed (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No way in hell are the sources used RS

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Every single day, deathtolls of civilians killed by the government given as fact....every single source, is the rebels' mouthpieces. All of these kind of arab spring pages tend towards supporting the rebels/protestors, but this is outright propaganda. 92.15.77.16 (talk) 19:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. The whole page is very poor. But the last few days have been complete garbage with the death toll given as a fact. . The situation is so bad the page probably should be deleted.--DanielUmel (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What you are complaining about can easily be fixed. All I have to do is add the statement "The LCC said". I'll do that right now. Sopher99 (talk) 22:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the page is damaged beyond repair. It is a compilation of months of no n neutral edits that never got checked and corrected.--DanielUmel (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Western media adopts blindly the so called sources of rebel controlled observatories. It is reported again that operation held by rebels many times never took place and large scale operations as they call them also. Unfortunately the media world is tending blindly to support and take as a fact what they say....Starting to think that Syria TV news bulletins are more reliable especially when they are supported by video footage as the 31-08-2012 bulletin which saws a number of technicals in the hands of the authorities... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimitrish81 (talk • contribs) 07:17, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So you are saying that the Syrian Government, which said over a month ago that they had cleansed all rebel forces from the capital, and then proceeded to, for a week straight, say the same thing, and is still fighting rebels in the capital, is more reliable? The government tends to claim things it wishes happened, rather than what actually occurred. I don't think either side is entirely reliable, but the Syrian government doesn't become reliable simply because the rebels aren't reliable. Them both lying is definitely an option. Jeancey (talk) 08:34, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Insufficient Inline Citations

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Insufficient inline citations? How so. This article is packed with many inline citations. Is it the number or the quality of the citations that is in question?(EnochBethany (talk) 00:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Can't See the Forest for the Trees

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This whole Syrian War seems hard to get a handle on. It's like one can't see the forest for the trees. (EnochBethany (talk) 00:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC))[reply]

WP: NPOV breach

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Israel is listed as a location for this conflict since November 11. This causes problems for Wikipedia neutrality, as the events in question did not occur within internationally recognized borders of Israel, but in the Israeli occupied Golan. This area is internationally recognized as part of Syria, Israel has however unilaterally annexed this area. Placing claims that these clashes on and near Golan happened in Israel can be construed as taking the Israeli POV. If however we change location of the war to parties involved, we would be remaining neutral on the annexation issue as IDF involvement in these events is unquestionable. Either way, we need to do something. 41.54.237.192 (talk) 06:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. Technically speaking, Taiwan is internationally recognized as part of mainland china. Just because something is internationally recognized as such, doesn't mean that it is normally referenced as such. Israel has had defacto control over the Golan Heights for decades, thus we should be considering it as part of the conflict. There hasn't been syrian control since 1981. Jeancey (talk) 07:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title change

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Title change of this article is, for reasons of coherence with changing the lead section of Syrian Civil War, since today being discussed on Talk:Syrian Civil War#Correcting lead section Syrian Civil War, under point 10 in the there posted discussion essay. Corriebertus (talk) 16:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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