Talk:Timeless (Meghan Trainor album)/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: MaranoFan (talk · contribs) 00:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 16:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

This article only came out at the start of June but since the album has not been a massively highly charting one, it does not fail stability like some might so I will review now! --K. Peake 16:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good!
• "released the album on" → "released it on"
• "Timeless has a message of" → "The album has a message of"
• Pipe self-empowerment to Empowerment
• "After the album's release," → "After its release," and mention that the tour will be in the United States
• "another thought it suffered from" → "another found the problems of" or something similar to avoid overusage of it
• "in the UK" → "in the United Kingdom"

Background

• Add the quotes from Trainor about her songwriting having elevated as a mother as the PopCulture source mentions

• I think that would be slightly excessive detail and fall out of the scope for this article.

• "popularity on it" → "popularity on the service"
• Rather than Takin' It Back (2022), I think the sentence would start better by saying "Her 2022 album Takin' It Back..."

Recording and production

• Img looks good!
• "Trainor's brother Justin, and" → "Meghan's brother Justin Trainor, and" per MOS:SAMESURNAME
• "for Trainor's Christmas album" → "for Meghan's Christmas album"
• Introduce who T-Pain is
• Remove commas around Daryl Sabara since this may read like a list implying her husband and him are two separate people like the manager is

• The current way is probably grammatically more correct.

• "one of the final tracks conceived for it," → "one of the final tracks conceived,"

Composition

Overview

• Good

Songs

• For the info that I cannot see in the online sources of the lyrical meaning of certain songs, is this mentioned in the liner notes that you also cite?

• Yes, for songs lacking sufficient commentary from secondary sources, I have circular referenced an uncontroversial description of them back to the lyrics.

Release and promotion

• Mention the details of the cover per the source
• "on March 22 and" → "on March 22, and"
• "in the UK" → "in the United Kingdom" although the Ireland position is not sourced in this sentence
• Wikilink music video
• "Nash, and influencers Olsen and Brookie and" → "Nash, Olsen, and influencers Brookie and" plus the music video ref should be invoked here instead

• The music video ref covers the performance as well so I believe the current arrangement works.

• "medley of "Been Like This" and" → "medley of "Been Like This" with"
• "on June 10." → "on June 10, 2024." and add info about what the video synopsis is
• "Pride 2024 and "Been Like This" and" → "Pride 2024, and "Been Like This" and"
• "and her brother Ryan will" → "and Meghan's brother Ryan Trainor will" per MOS:SAMESURNAME

Critical reception

• Retitle to Reception and merge with the below section

• With a new AllMusic review, I have strengthened this section to hopefully be able to stand on its own. People usually take issue when these are merged.

• "believed that though Trainor" → "believed that though Meghan Trainor" although where is the combination of different genres sourced?

• This is sourced to "While the album is firmly rooted in pop, the nods to doo-wop and classic vocal standards permeates almost all the material. Trainor has always fused these worlds musically to some degree"

• "DeWald added:" → "DeWald added that"
• "described it as" → "described the album as"

Commercial performance

• Make this the second paragraph of the above section
• "in the US" → "in the United States"
• The fourth-highest is not sourced

Track listing

• Pipe the songwriters of "Crushin'" that are currently going to redirects to Lawrence (band)

Personnel

• Good

Charts

• Good

Release history

• Good

Notes

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks great at 25.4%!!!!
• Ref 20 should not have a double speech mark at the end

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed after this review; I do not expect yours for Vultures 1 to be as fast at all since that is a much larger article and has even had a GA review briefly before, so feel free to take however long! --K. Peake 19:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for the extremely prompt review, Kyle! I pretty much accepted all the suggestions except wherever I have replied above, and except the same surname thing, since I believe the way it is currently handled would be the least confusing for readers and I haven't run into issues with it on prior FACs. I will get on with the Vultures review soon, and I hope this is looking alright now. Best, NØ 17:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• MaranoFan Thank you for the response, although you still need to fix the MOS:SAMESURNAME issues as I pointed out and changed "described it" → "described the album". --K. Peake 17:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for pointing out the second comment, KP. Although the surname change not being made is intentional as the present wording would be simpler for readers to understand and I haven't run into issues with it at previous FAs (e.g. "Mother"). I believe randomly referring to the subject as "Meghan" in some sentences leads to astonishment. Let me know if something else is required. Greets, NØ 17:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Apologies for the third ping within a short duration but today does mark the 10th anniversary of "All About That Bass" so it would be monumental for the wikiproject if the GAN passed today. But it is best to be thorough, so if you think more time is necessary for the review to be thorough then please disregard this. Since it was on hold, though, I figured that won't be the case.--NØ 17:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, I had forgot about this since I've been busy with my job but it is completely good to go and I would appreciate your explanation thanks a lot! --K. Peake 19:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)