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Moved, 26 November 2009, from TiK ToK to TiK ToK (song), see discussion.
Page moved, 16 December 2009, from Tik Tok (song) to TiK ToK, see discussion.
Page moved, 11 August 2011, from Tik Tok (song) to Tik Tok, see discussion.
Moved and redirected, 10 April 2019, from Tik Tok to Tik Tok (song), see discussion.
Not moved, 19 April 2019, from Tik Tok (song) to Tik Tok (Kesha song), see discussion.
Not moved, 19 April 2023, from Tik Tok (song) to Tik Tok, see discussion.
Not moved, 24 October 2024, to Tik Tok (Kesha song), see discussion.

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. It isn't Wikipedia's convention to redirect "Foo" to "Foo (disambiguation term)". The target is a longstanding redirect to this article, so the move can simply proceed. —David Levy 20:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tik Tok (song) → Tik Tok – It already redirects here. Personally I think the new name would be fine (instead of redirecting Tik Tok to Tick tock) since it's very unlikely to be misspelled that way and expected to still go to the latter. Gary King (talk · scripts) 19:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Change. As there is another song with the same name, would be better to change the name to Tik Tok. Gisselly B. (talk) 20:12, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved and redirected. (non-admin closure) samee converse 21:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tik Tok → Tik Tok (song) and redirect to TikTok – per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Much has changed since the last move request from eight years ago. The video app TikTok has become one of the most popular apps in the world, and it's often spelled with a space. If you google "Tik Tok" (with a space), virtually all results and related search suggestions are about the app, not the song. Zanhe (talk) 20:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. It remains to be seen how popular the app will be in the long term, but we're looking at hundreds of thousands of page views per month from people who clearly aren't looking for the Kesha song, and that's hard to ignore. PC78 (talk) 21:48, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, however, no primary topic as opposed to what nominator says. --Quiz shows 22:51, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Pageviews Analysis of the app vs. the song, the ratio is about 30:1 (note that many people land on the song page when looking for the app, as I did). -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - For now at least. No question the app has since become the primary topic. Meatsgains^(talk) 00:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support to disambiguate from the app and aid reader navigation. --Yaksar (let's chat) 01:18, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support as newer contemporary definitions make redundant any reasoning that was legitimate upon the last page move. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:57, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support and disambiguate, per nom. But oppose redirecting "Tik Tok" to "TikTok"; it's safer to have the disambiguation at the basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate There are also Tik Tok (film), Tik-Tok (novel) and Tik-Tok (Oz). Peter James (talk) 18:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support and Disambiguate per reasons above. I was hesitant to request this move at first, but I now see the overwhelming support. JE98 (talk) 22:43, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Tik Tok (Kesha song) and redirect to Tik Tok (disambiguation) In ictu oculi (talk) 16:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And undo 25 August 2018‎ Neo-Jay moved page TikTok (app) to TikTok: "no need to add app for disambiguation" ... but there is. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 19 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 07:00, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

– Though Tik Tok (song) is at its current title due to a move request that closed literally 5 minutes ago, I noticed a concern when I was looking at Tick tock#Song where both of the nominated pages are currently listed. The confusion comes into play regarding WP:NCMDAB, specifically the part that states that "...If the title of a musical group or a recording does not share its title with any other topic in Wikipedia, use the base title". Well, technically, at the present time, both of these articles meet the aforementioned guideline due to their unique spellings, and since there is no other article for a song tiled "Tic Toc" or "Tic Tok". However, this is where there is a WP:SMALLDETAILS concern: The last letter of the words in the nominated articles' titles ending with a "k" and a "c", respectively. I do not believe that the differentiating spellings of the last letters of the words in the titles are distinguishing enough for readers to automatically assume that the title with the words ending with "k" is for the Kesha song and the title with the words ending with "c" is for the Lords of the Underground song. (In other words, I believe that WP:SMALLDETAILS beats WP:NCMDAB in how to title the articles in this case.) For this reason, I believe that to best guide our readers, these articles should be retitled as proposed and both leftover redirects (Tik Tok (song) and Tic Toc (song)) retargeted to Tick tock#Songs. Steel1943 (talk) 21:13, 19 April 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 19:32, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Why should stop with songs? There are also Tik-Tok (novel), Ticktock (novel), Tick-Tock, Tick Tock (film), Tik Tok (film), Tiktok (film), TikTok. If the argument is that a c, k and ck are phonetically and graphically similar to be distinguished, then all of them are to be moved. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 23:59, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support and to be honest yes those novels and films could do with WP:PRIMARYDIRECTS to expanded dab titles, particularly the 3 films. The songs clearly are not clearly consistently and distinctively always Tik or always Tic. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly they are not; some are one spelling and some are another, similar to the disambiguation pages for Cane/Kane/Caine/Cain. Peter James (talk) 11:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Disambiguation is only from the same title, not titles that are only the same phonetically. Peter James (talk) 11:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not the same title. Unreal7 (talk) 18:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Peter and WP:PRECISION/WP:SMALLDETAILS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Hatnotes solve any confusion for users who may accidentally head or type the wrong title for what they are looking for.--Yaksar (let's chat) 01:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 19 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Closed early per snowball clause . (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works (contribs) 22:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tik Tok (song) → Tik Tok – Just minor details in the spelling; a hatnote to social media service TikTok must be sufficient. RMXY (talk) 05:21, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I believe the arguments made in the previous #Requested move 10 April 2019 still applies. If you Google "Tik Tok" (with a space) now in 2023, as it was in 2019, a majority of results and related search suggestions are still about the video hosting service, not the song. And like a few others who basically stated in that previous discussion, it also might be better to just redirect Tik Tok back to the Tick tock disambiguation page. Zzyzx11 (talk) 11:12, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close In ictu oculi (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, this would only add ambiguity, notably with TikTok. I support the current primary redirect of Tik Tok, and any discussion about retargeting it should happen at WP:RFD, not here. 162 etc. (talk) 17:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The popularity of TikTok means that the spacing variation could refer to it, so WP:SMALLDETAILS in this case basically supports the status quo. Steel1943 (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose "TikTok" is likely a variant of "Tik Tok", that is to say the the way most readers will search is likely with a space so SMALLDETAILS doesn't really work. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move. "Tik Tok" (with the space) refers to the website more often than it refers to the song. O.N.R. ^(talk) 23:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I suggest that Tik Tok (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) instead be repointed to Tick tock (disambiguation) -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 18:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to popularity of the social media platform and agree with the IP address re where the Tik Tok page points. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 24 October 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Raladic (talk) 03:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tik Tok (song) → Tik Tok (Kesha song) – I checked the dab page, and there is also this entry: "Tik Tok" (G.E.M. song) This song is recorded by Chinese-Hong Kong singer G.E.M. in 2018 for her EP My Fairytale. As long as there are two same entries of the song with this exact spelling, this needs insufficient disambiguation. ScarletViolet t c 01:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The Kesha song has a majority of pageviews over the G.E.M. song by almost 400:1[1]. This is a clear and exemplary case for WP:PDAB. estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support There are nine songs spelled "tick tock" or some variation of it. I don't see the value in giving one of those a privleged title because it happens to be spelled in a slightly uncommon manner. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per estar8806, WP:PDABPRIMARY. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This song is the overwhelming WP:primary topic (even if you include songs with other spellings[2]). - Station1 (talk) 01:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Agreed. Would suggest to have this withdrawn, and I will clean up and reorg the dab page. ScarletViolet t c 12:53, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I was going to close this, but as one person supported it, it'll have to wait the usual 168 hour (7 day) time unless WP:SNOW applies. JuniperChill (talk) 10:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Feel free to close. There's no point in me wasting others' time by standing alone against the tide of special pleading that has predominated music article titling. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as everyone else said, this is the clear primary topic. JuniperChill (talk) 10:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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