Talk:Thriller (song)/Archive 1

American Werewolf

I just added a line highlighting that John Landis came to this project shortly after directing An American Werewolf in London. My guess would be that that film was a significant influence on Jackson wanting to make a vazz in this style. There are probably more connections too. In particular does anyone know whether other people were involved on both projects - makeup artists, special effects or art direction? -- Solipsist 07:00, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Rick Baker, and the BGM composer, to name just two. It's no secret that MJ saw AWIL and said he wanted to become a warewolf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.18.128 (talk) 18:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I can't see why these two were split; every other article on a single has a section on any relevant video (often bloated with blow-by-blow descriptions of every tedious clichéd detail). These two articles are short enough to be combined. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's time the Music videos split off from the articles that specifically refer to the song. IMHO, I believe the best place to start this trend is with Thriller. In this example, the notability of the video transcends merely noting it on a song page. This importance is illustrated with the new iTunes video downloading service - and Thriller, not surprisingly, is in the top 10 of most downloaded. When people discuss Michael Jackson's songs, Billie Jean is almost always mentioned as his best (and probably his most listened to) - but when the discussion switches to his music videos - Thriller, the music video - stands out alone uncontested. I think it's important to make this distinction. In due time, the Thriller (music video) article will grow much larger than the article about the song.--The lorax 17:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Guitar

Was it just me who heard Eddie Van Halen played lead guitar on this track-the-muffin-man- 19:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Van Halen did a guitar solo on "Beat It" JoeD80 (talk) 21:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson getting a Co-Writing Credit...?

In the Thriller album booklet, Rod is listed as the only composer of this song, so i'm gonna remove Michael's co-writing credit from this page, unless someone has a source for it. MatteusH 09:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC) i love you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.69.67.1 (talk) 00:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bollywood version

If you go to youtube and type in somethng like "Thriller Indian" you'll see an Indian version of this song. I beleive this should be mentioned in the article, I'm very curious If Jackson filed lawsuit for plagurism. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 01:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cheap Thrills

Shouldnt Herve's 'Cheap Thrills' be mentioned in the sampled section? FM [ talk to me | show contributions ] 15:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother use.

Can someone more knowledgable on the topic of Big Brother confirm which series and more importantly which country this was refering to. Although I do also think it's not really even worth mentioning since the song has been used in heaps of TV shows and movies. 220.233.171.88 (talk) 09:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Super Why What?

The last entry under pop culture TV has such bad grammar that I can't work out what it's saying. Anybody? <Karlww_{(contribs|talk)} 14:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guild Wars

The Necromancer dance in Guild Wars is Thriller, perhaps this fact should go in somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pincushion Bunny (talk • contribs) 05:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Williams died in 1980

Larry Williams is credited as playing Saxophone and flute on Thriller, however his Wikipedia page lists him as having died of a gunshot wound to the head in 1980.

Does this need to be corrected?

soliloquy

I don't think it should be called a soliloquy, Vincent Price is not talking to himself, we do not hear his thoughts... He is narrating, talking directly to the audience. Think about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.166.174 (talk) 17:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who wrote the lyrics for this poem? Vincent Price? abelson (talk) 19:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Single

Can someone settle this once and for all? When was this released? January 1982 or 1984? hbdragon88 (talk) 22:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The album article says that the album was recorded from April to November 1982. I doubt that it was released in January 1982, but then, when? hbdragon88 (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

I'm going to remove the Swiss charts position for 1983/1984 section, because the link to the source hasn't got any information on it and on the swiss charts site, it says Thriller, the song, entered the charts for the first time in 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndroidOfNotreDame (talk • contribs) 19:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great job Crystal Clear x3

Ok i will see if i can help speed up the GA review..i will contact some Wiki muisc projects about the review that is need ....Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thriller In The Night???

I never heard anyone say Thriller "In The" Night during this song.

All I hear is "Thriller, Thriller Night." Is the source correct?--108.2.4.225 (talk) 01:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source above is a blog on AOL, lol. Everybody knows the real lyrics are not "in the night"!

First off, to the person above me (the person who has been edit waring over the live performances of the song), sign your post(s). Second, Wikipedia is not based on fact, its based on what reliable sources say-AOL Music is a reliable source. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 09:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Magic trick during live version

I have no idea why this keeps getting reverted. Michael Jackson did perform an escape illusion during the Dangerous Tour performance of this song. He went into a coffin and disappeared. Period. This doesn't even need a source. It's not even a claim. It's like saying he wore black shoes. You guys are taking this text link stuff way too literally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.18.128 (talk) 04:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to break it to you, but things such as how he performs the song do need reliable sources - which are not videos from Youtube or tree links. Users, such as Pyrrhus16, are not taking "stuff way too literally", they are going by what Wikipedia guidelines say. If you do not like it, do not edit on this site, its as simple as that. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 09:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Youtube?? A youtube link would only be needed for those who are bent on clicking URLs. Just so you know, they are not needed by wikipedia policy. Broadcasts and commercially available video/audio are perfectly sufficient as a source. A live video of a performance is the best source available. Don't worry, an update is coming soon, when I find the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.18.128 (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deadlink

There is one deadlink that I wouldn't find an archived copy on web.archive.org that needs to be fixed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_en_mo/us_classic_films (Ref #58)

–MuZemike 22:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson's "apology" for Thriller?

I note that in his book Apocalypse Delayed, M. James Penton refers to how Jackson wrote something for the Jehovah's Witnesses' publication "Awake!" in which he basically apologized for being involved in a production which deals with the general topic of demons, which Jehovah's Witnesses take very seriously. I would think this would be significant enough for inclusion in the article. Would there be any other opinions regarding this? John Carter (talk) 21:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is this in reference to the message at the beginning of the Thriller video which reads "Due to my strong personal convictions, i wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult", and i also recall Quincy Jones saying that Michael at one point was not going to release the video but Quincy suggested using the discalimer to distance Michael from the occult.Ijustwannabeawinner (talk) 10:04, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I also found this ^[1] which seems to underpin what ive just said. Ijustwannabeawinner (talk) 10:19, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's not archived yet: It seems that SongFacts can rarely be used as a source, with this particular page only a collection of user-provided entries (WP:USERGEN). A few related WP:RSN threads: 1, 2, 3. Penton is considered notable and the book was published through a university press which is better. It does mention the disclaimer at page 277^[2] along with probably off-topic reactionary material from the denomination to art and artists. Remains to determine if it's due for a mention... An indication of notability would be more independent sources also mentioning it. —Paleo Neonate – 04:27, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Thriller by Michael Jackson Songfacts". www.songfacts.com. Retrieved 2018-05-30.
^ Penton, M. James (1997). Apocalypse Delayed: The Story of Jehovah's Witnesses. University of Toronto Press. p. 277. ISBN 9780802079732. So, he is seen as having 'exhalted himself' and having involved himself with 'demonism' in spite of a disclaimer with appears at the beginning of 'Thriller' stating that he does not believe in the occult.

References to AOL

Could someone more familiar with Wikipedia clarify the policy on over referencing a particular source? It seems to me that AOL Radio Blog is referenced many times in the article but that the blog is not particularly authoritative. Is this is possible example of self promotion? Glederma (talk) 01:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and thank you for your concern ..i would like to direct you to Wikipedia:NEWSBLOG that says -->"Some newspapers host interactive columns that they call blogs; these are acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control".Moxy (talk) 02:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But that's talking about newspapers (and presumably news stations and news networks, by extension), while AOL is hardly a newspaper or any kind of news organization.

Now that Glederma's called our attention to it, I see that the "Critical reception" section is laden with mentions of AOL Radio Blog. I suspect this isn't so much because these are worthy accomplishments from respected observers, but because some editor(s) found a bunch of stuff at one site (that's got a handy search function). AFAIAC, all four sentences currently mentioning the bolog in that section could be deleted without perceptable harm to the article. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 05:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree..lets ask User:Crystal Clear x3 she should have a better answer ..or better yet know were links came be found (better then AOL)..Moxy (talk) 05:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2013 charting

The song re-entered the BBH100 at #42 on the week after Halloween 2013. If someone could add this to the charts section that would be great! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.42.114 (talk) 01:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Release date (1982 vs. 1984)

The article infobox gives a 1984 release date for the song. Upon closer reading, it is clear that the song was on an album that was released in 1982. So shouldn't the infobox say that the song was released in 1982? —BarrelProof (talk) 17:51, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It should be January 23, 1984 since that's when it was released as a single which is the basic format for songs if they're released as singles and have a wiki page. Also, 1982 is when the album released and not the song by itself. TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 07:01, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is there some established Wikipedia convention for this? To me it is very strange to say that a very popular song people had already been listening to for years hasn't released yet. The concept of "released as a single" is very vague, and the 1984 date would give readers the impression that the song was not available to the general public until that date. Are there other songs discussed on Wikipedia that were "released as a single" years after they were released as a "non-single" on a top-selling popular album? —BarrelProof (talk) 14:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you check every other album page that has singles, you will see that every page shows only the single release dates. For example, check All Eyez on Me or Bad (album) and check the release dates for the songs and then the pages. TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 15:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Digging through some old discussions, I found Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (song), which was released as an album track in 1967 and then as a single eleven years later in 1978. The way this is handled in that article is that the article has two separate infoboxes for the album release and for the single release. The album release is shown first at the top of the article. In this article, there is only one infobox. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's the only page that has that issue. Every other page is different in terms of single format. Also, there isn't really a need to make another infobox for an album track version and a single version since there both basically the same thing except that they might have different lengths in time or release dates TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 00:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2019

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Add a section for live performances of Thriller, from the Bad tour to History tour and the fact that it was going to be performed with Threatened Vgerasenkov (talk) 17:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Release date again

Where did the January 23rd date come from? The cited source does not mention any release date, but another article further down the page at the same URL says By the time "Thriller" was released as a single on Nov. 2, 1983...

Well, I've been perusing the archives of Billboard and the UK's Music Week at worldradiohistory.com, and clearly the November 2nd date is wrong. The video wasn't even out at that point. And then, with the video running on MTV all through December, and the album selling 200K copies a week, there's no mention whatsoever of a U.S. "Thriller" single in Billboard in the final 1983 issues at all. Normally any big new single gets at least some radio adds the instant it becomes available. The single's first mention, aside from appearing in international charts, is not until its #20 debut on the Hot 100 for the week ending Feb. 11, 1984. That chart would've been compiled from radio & retail data by Feb. 1st, and the single had to be commercially available to be eligible, so the January 23rd date seems quite correct.

Meanwhile, it was already out in the UK in early November 1983. I've added a source for that. —mjb (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Thriller by Michael Jackson Songfacts". www.songfacts.com. Retrieved 2018-05-30.

[2] Penton, M. James (1997). Apocalypse Delayed: The Story of Jehovah's Witnesses. University of Toronto Press. p. 277. ISBN 9780802079732. So, he is seen as having 'exhalted himself' and having involved himself with 'demonism' in spite of a disclaimer with appears at the beginning of 'Thriller' stating that he does not believe in the occult.

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