Talk:Thomas Young (obstetrician)

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A fact from Thomas Young (obstetrician) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Thomas Young, a professor of midwifery, was taken prisoner at the Battle of Prestonpans?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Young (obstetrician).

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The result was: promoted by Hilst talk 13:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Thomas Young, who financed the first maternity ward in Scotland, was taken prisoner at the Battle of Prestonpans? Source: 1. https://archives.collections.ed.ac.uk/agents/people/4158 2. https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article-abstract/40/3/327/851030?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false; Hoolihan on p.334 includes a quote from the Infirmary minute book dated 3 June 1751. "...agreed to Young '...fitting up a ward upon his own charges and furnishing said ward...and shall be allowed to admit 4 pregnant women.' The lying-in ward was the first in Scotland '
- ALT1: ... that Thomas Young, a professor of midwifery, had been taken prisoner at the Battle of Prestonpans? Source: https://archives.collections.ed.ac.uk/agents/people/4158
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Georgiana Bonser
  Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Ward (British campaigner)

Created by Iainmacintyre (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 51 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Papamac (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]

New enough, long enough, QPQs done and generally a nice article. Hooks are sourced: ALT1 has a minor grammar error, but to my mind ALT0 is the better hook anyway. I am unconvinced by the FUR on the image: to use a non-free image in an article on Thomas Young, it really needs to be an image (and, honestly, the only image) of Thomas Young himself. However, given that the certificate was issued in the 18th century, we should be able to find a PD rationale that would work: suggest {{PD-US-unpublished}}, unless we can find evidence of publication prior to 1853, or {{PD-US-expired}} in the case that we can. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 18:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@UndercoverClassicist: Thanks for that. The rationale for inclusion of the image was under "images which are discussed in detail in the context of the article body" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php

It doesn't have a PD tag and I don't know if there is one that would work. If it doesn't fulfil the criteria feel free to delete.

I couldn't spot the grammar error in ALT1

Papamac (talk) 17:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFCI suggests that one rationale for a FUR could be Images that are themselves subject of commentary, but that doesn't apply here -- it's not the image, but the thing in the image, that's being discussed. However, I've given the two PD tags that almost certainly apply. If you know that the image was published (that is, made widely available to the public) before 1853, upload it on Commons with {{PD-US-expired}}; if you don't, upload it to Commons with {{PD-US-unpublished}}. The grammar "error" is really an infelicity of tense: it's better as was taken prisoner. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 18:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @UndercoverClassicist: On reflection I agree that the image doesn't fulfil FU criteria, so I've deleted it.

The use of the past perfect in ALT1 was deliberate to convey the idea that he was taken prisoner before he became a professor, which the past tense does doesn't convey.

To address the issue I've added:

ALT1A: ... that Thomas Young, a professor of midwifery, was taken prisoner at the Battle of Prestonpans? Source: https://archives.collections.ed.ac.uk/agents/people/4158}

Hopefully that addresses both issues raised. Papamac (talk) 11:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approved for ALT1A. Nice work. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10: 29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)