Talk:Thomas FitzGerald, 7th Earl of Desmond

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Marriage to Thomas Butler of Cahir? Looks to be far too early for this to be possible. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

See also

There should be a reference to his near namesake and conteporary Thomas FitzGerald, 7th Earl of Kildare. Jackiespeel (talk) 09:58, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio?

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: This article has been nominated this for speedy deletion G12 as copyvio of http://www.richardiii.net/downloads/Ricardian/2005_vol15_Earl_Desmond_Execution.pdf . On my objecting to this, the nominator says it is a "95% copyvio", which is not enough for G12.

I have checked a few random words from the early sections of this article against that pdf, and cannot find: "Walter", "Shere", "Geraldines", "Piltown", "Cooldurragh", "magnate" (used within a quote, so no need to tweak it even if closely paraphrasing to evade copyvio) etc.

This article is not a candidate for G12 speedy deletion. It appears to have been created piecemeal over 6 years by many separate authors, which in itself makes it unlikely that the article would be come within unequivocal cases, where there is no free-content material on the page worth saving and no later edits requiring attribution. PamD 10:14, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes I have. It serves all our purposes well if we leave to thems that make decisions here to make them such decisions. I'm not not sure that "unlikely" is sufficient reasoning. In any case, our opinions may diffier: Earwig does not. Cheers, _Muffled ^Pocketed 10:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

PamD Also, if you think that 95% copyvio is unsufficient for G12, then you should probably head elsewhere for clarification. Cheers, _Muffled ^Pocketed 10:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I can see that some of the later sections include chunks lifted from the pdf, so it might be that the article needs major surgery to remove the copyvio sections, but this is not a case for G12. That would be to undo the work of many editors over 6 years who have contributed correctly. PamD 10:28, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: Looking at the page history we have one rogue single-purpose editor whose 35 edits in June/July this year were almost all to this article, and who introduced recognisable chunks of the pdf paper. The version immediately before they turned up produces a 28% score on Earwig. There's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. PamD 10:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

If it gets deleted, it'll be re-written. As it stands, it's a near-to write-off. Let's not get too bogged down. Cheers, _Muffled ^Pocketed 10:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: As I said earlier PAMD in an email, I am French . I am passionate about Irish history for some time as well as Richard III. I have read many books about him [Richard III]. All sections I wrote about Thomas Fitzgerald is the result of extensive research on the Net, reads. I admit that my English is not fantastic and I regularly use Google Translate to understand the content of what I read. Because I'm a new contributor in the community of Wikipedia, I was not aware of all policies relating to copyright. It was never my intention to plagiarize anyone; Moreover, I have never pretended to claim to be the author of what that is. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia of access to all, I have never believed for a second that my transcription's work would cause so much trouble. For now, PamD explained to me what I had to do and I'm working in my French version. Sincerely.Rionagh 10:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Have reverted to last good version before the spate of edits from User:Rionagh, as per instructions at WP:DCV and left them a warning on their talk page in case they ever come back to edit again. Have also now bookmarked Earwig, useful to know about. PamD 11:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

From the JA-H/AC article, which I possess in printed form as well, we have a date of 15th February for the execution, which I shall add to the main piece. Smlark (talk) 21:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Note: the article was reverted today to the version of 3 May 2016, before a large number of edits which introduced copyright violation from the paper listed above. PamD 11:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Whether you have blocked sections that referred to in Article Ashdown-Hill and Carson is one thing but remove all of my article is another. The sections describing the life of Thomas Fitzgerald, 7th Earl of Desmond, come from different works of historians who refer to it. I crossed the information to be sure of their validity. Desmond was first married to Anne Butler, daughter of the 4th Earl of Ormond, a marriage bond attests (see http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3759912). Eleanor Hull says in her book that he grew up in England (Accessibility http://www.libraryireland.com/HullHistory/Geraldines1.php in paragraph 11). The information describing the battle of Piltown are available in the websites that I listed. Besides, I have supported my research on the 4th volume of the Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland by the Four Masters. Moreover, I have extensively studied the pedigrees of Fitzgerald, took notes and consumed many notebooks draft. This information confirms the kinship link with the Plantagenet, the House of York, the Berkeley, the Beauchamp. Have a good day. Rionagh 10:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rionagh (talk • contribs)