Talk:Thomas Cook Group/Archives/2019

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Reply 4-MAR-2019

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Incorrectly formatted request: The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin. https://www.booksource.com https://www.journalsource.com https://www.websource.com In the example above there are three URL's provided with the claim statements, but these URL's have not been placed using Citation Style 1, which is the style predominantly used by the Thomas Cook Group article. Additionally, the ref tags have not been placed within the text at the exact positions where the information they reference resides. Using the correct style and the correct positioning of the ref tags, the WikiFormatted text would resemble the following: Correctly formatted request: Please add the following sentence to the first paragraph of the article's "Sun and Moon" section: The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles,<ref>{{cite book|last1=Sjöblad|first1=Tristan|title=The Sun|url=http://www.booksource.com|publisher=Academic Press|date=2018|page=1}}</ref> while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.<ref>{{cite journal|last1=Harinath|first1=Paramjit|title=Size of the Moon|journal=Science|issue=78|volume=51|url=http://www.journalsource.com|date=2018|page=46}}</ref> The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin.<ref>{{cite book|last1=Uemura|first1=Shu|title=The Sun's Heat|url=http://www.websource.com|publisher=Academic Press|date=2018|page=2}}</ref> Which displays as: Please add the following sentence to the first paragraph of the article's "Sun and Moon" section: The Sun's diameter is 864,337.3 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin. References In the example above the references have been formatted according to Citation Style 1, which shows the author, the source's name, date, etc. Also, the ref tags are placed in the exact location where the text which they reference resides. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, edit requests such yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review. Finally, the sources used in the example are to reliable, secondary sources.

Kindly rewrite your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example shown in the collapsed section above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. If you have any questions about this formatting please don't hesitate to ask myself or another editor. Regards,  Spintendo  18:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Notes

Hi - The above proposed edits are also a violation of copyright as they are lifted from https://www.thomascook.com/thomas-cook-history/. Dormskirk (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hiee can u say about yourself I don't know about you Vicky shahh (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Merger

Praxidicae has converted the Thomas Cook Tour Operations article into a redirect to this one on the basis that to is "not independently notable". I do not disagree but I feel that a merger should have been done to save any WP:NOTEWORTHY content. I shall attempt to do this now. -- Polly Tunnel (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done -- Polly Tunnel (talk) 13:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

TCTO merge

The Thomas Cook Tour Operations Wikipedia page is unnecessary to remove. Airline7375 (talk) 19:26, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Cook Tour Operations

You are clearly misunderstanding. TUI UK is the UK travel agent and tour operator owned by TUI AG. Thomas Cook Retail Limited acts as the agent for Thomas Cook Tour Operations Limited (the tour operator) who are owned by the Thomas Cook Group plc. Before you merge the article I believe you should show significant evidence that Thomas Cook tour operations ‘is’ the Thomas cook group as I can promise you won’t find any. (Airline7375 (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2019 (UTC))

I believe you may be referring to one of the WP:MERGEREASONS listed in the WP policy, namely "Duplicate: There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject, with the same scope". That is clearly not the case here and I am not aware that anyone has suggested this. There are, however, other reasons for merging as described in WP policy. The suggestion made above is that Thomas Cook (UK travel agency) may not be WP:NOTABLE enough to merit its own article under WP guidelines. The same criterion was used to justify the merger of Thomas Cook Tour Operations into this article. Be aware that the WP policy says of notability: "This is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article." There is no WP policy on whether company subsidiaries merit their own articles – each case is assessed on its own merits. Hence six of the subsidiaries listed for Tesco have their own articles while three do not. - Polly Tunnel (talk) 09:51, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Merging Thomas Cook (UK Travel Agency)

The merge of the page isn’t correct as it is two separate company, TCTO is a subsidiary of Thomas cook group (Airline7375 (talk) 17:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC))

As with the Thomas Cook Tour Operations article, I'm again filling in the missing parts of a possible merger procedure started by someone else. I've placed a merger template at the top of this article to accompany the one that was already at the top of Thomas Cook (UK travel agency) and added links to the discussion here. There should be piece of text here proposing the merger, but as I am not proposing this merger I do not intend to write it. The reasons for possible mergers are given at WP:MERGEREASON. - Polly Tunnel (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Support. The travel agency is not notable in its own right. Dormskirk (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I have merged in all relevant material. With Thomas Cook Group in difficulty, all relevant information should be in this article. Dormskirk (talk) 09:15, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Why past tense?

It "was" a travel company? As of today, it still exists. News reports state that it is asking its investor in China for additional funds. Granted, the company is in trouble. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:12, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Change reverted, along with the statements in the infobox about liquidation.Nigel Ish (talk) 20:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, there is no source for "defunct" or "insolvent" – as of yet. According to policy, any addition must be verifiable and reliably sourced. Wakari07 (talk) 00:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Now there's a tweet [1] saying "Thomas Cook Group, including the UK tour operator and airline, has ceased trading with immediate effect. All #ThomasCook bookings, including flights and holidays, have now been cancelled. Visit: http://thomascook.caa.co.uk" but clicking on the link variously has "404 Web Site not found" or "Error 403 - This web app is stopped." It sounds almost like a joke... Is the UK Civil Aviation Authority out of business too? Wakari07 (talk) 01:22, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Someone screwed up the azure config, they have had time to prepare! Funny if you check some group sites they say they are still operating (condor for example) Gregory1132 (talk) 01:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Wry. The Independent is still working, they seem to be first with a reliable source confirmation: Thomas Cook collapses: Last-ditch rescue talks fail, leaving 21,000 jobs at risk -- World’s original package holiday company failed to secure funding to shore up rescue bid. Wakari07 (talk) 01:44, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Business Insider has "declared bankruptcy early Monday morning local time in the UK". Wakari07 (talk) 01:53, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

The above link is working now. Just wondering what a foreigner who booked with the company is supposed to do. Contact the embassy? Double pay for the holiday? The BBC source is also very mum on this. Wakari07 (talk) 02:32, 23 September 2019 (UTC) Reuters has the answer for the German customers: they can count on travel insurance. Wakari07 (talk) 02:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thomas Cook Retail Limited

It was discussed on the talk page of the merger of Thomas Cook Tour Operations and Thomas Cook Group, but not for Thomas Cook Retail which was a separate entity, which operated the retail stores and website in the UK. Why is it being merged without having been discussed? (Airline7375 (talk) 15:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC))

Articles need to meet the notability criteria and there is no reason why such information cannot be covered by the article on Thomas Cook Group. As has already been explained above all relevant information should be in this article. Dormskirk (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Cook's Tour Operator in the United Kingdom (Thomas Cook Tour Operations Limited)

I still believe Thomas Cook Tour Operations should have its own page, as it was the UK tour operator and not just a division of Thomas Cook Group - it was a stand-alone tour operator and had significance - it was third biggest, second for a long time, in the UK. How come Jet2holidays has enough significance to have an individual page. Thomas Cook Retail, I agree being integrated into the TCG page as it was the travel agents in the UK. (Airline7375 (talk) 14:21, 28 December 2019 (UTC))