Talk:This Bike Is a Pipe Bomb/Archive 1

Archive 1

The Blank Fight

Does anyone else think it's strange that The Blank Fight isn't mentioned here? See Aaron Cometbus, the band doesn't have its own wiki page. 149.43.x.x 21:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

about the bike in ohio

I've been waiting for something like this to happen. I always joked with my friend who has one of their stickers on his bike that someone will think it's actually a bomb and get freaked out, and now it actually happened. Lol. The Ungovernable Force 04:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The first footnote link doesn't work anymore, for anyone who wants to remove / fix it.

Maybe they should change their name to something like "My penis is a pipe bomb" or "Theres a pipe bomb under my clothes" or "My car is wired with high explosives" or "I have a bag of explosives" or "My pipe bomb is a pipe bomb". Just a thought. Tim

Chemists call their pressurized reaction vessels "bombs" (because they are often a metel pipe closed off at each end, and they sometimes explode when containing high pressures). I wonder what the reaction would be if a person brought one of these bombs along in their luggage at the airport (all perfectly legal and harmless, so long as it's empty and not being heated to pressurize it), and when the security saw it on the X-ray machine and asked this person what the metel pipe is, the person answers truthfully and says it is a bomb. I suspect the government would locked him up and throw away the key even if the person can prove that he meant bomb in the sense of reaction vessel (e.g., by demonstrating that that's what it was made for and what it is used for, etc.)--such being the ignorance and fear surrounding the word "bomb." As well, another name for aerosol containers (i.e, spray cans) is "bomb."209.208.77.117 17:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

not punk

"Folk-Punk" is, more or less, an invented genre. Nobody outside the insular "folk-punk scene" recognizes it as being "punk" music of any kind. Where as most other musical genres in the punk/hardcore scene (youth crew, grindcore, "steet punk", "hardcore", or whatever) share some sort of mutal recognition if not interaction or appreciation. Where as "folk-punk" is generally not recognised as even bing punk by those not directly interested in it. I could make a recording of two gophers fighting inside a kettle drum and call it "neo-baroque", but just because I baroque, doesn't make it classical. Tombride 20:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I know plenty of normal punks (such as myself) who listen to this bike is a pipe bomb and other folky-punky bands. In fact, I have never met a folk-punk scene member, but many punks who consider this bike is a pipe bomb to be punk. They are even called a punk band in all the news stories regarding the recent incidents in ohio, so if anything they are only punk, not only folk. The Ungovernable Force 20:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I said: "folk-punk" is generally not recognised as even bing punk by those not directly interested in it.
You said: "I know plenty of normal punks (such as myself) who listen to this bike is a pipe bomb and other folky-punky bands."
Thanks for making my point again for me.
You also said: They are even called a punk band in all the news stories regarding the recent incidents in ohio. The mainstream media is hardly an expert on punk. The local news here recently refered to Scott Stapp as "former leader of the hardcore-punk band creed.Tombride 20:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You're exact words were "nobody outside the insular folk-punk scene" and so I was giving you evidence of punks (not folk-punks) who listen to and consider them to be punk. And that is just sad about your local newspaper, but I'm guessing most people think the band is punk to some extent. Their record label Plan-It-X Records describes them as "folk punk at it's finest" [1] in their description of the Front Seat Solidarity LP (and the Plan-It-X page here on wikipedia calls them diy punk. So how are you going to tell me they aren't punk? Anyways, the punk distinction has been in this article for a while now, so I don't see why you are trying to change it now. In response to your last edit summary, the reason I considered it vandalism is because I had asked that user to discuss their changes on the talk page if they did it again and warned them that it would be considered vandalism if they didn't. They also messed around with the genre of the Against Me! page as well. The Ungovernable Force 00:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, Ghostmeat Records calls them "punk-rock folk" [2]. The Ungovernable Force 00:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing, you said Where as most other musical genres in the punk/hardcore scene (youth crew, grindcore, "steet punk", "hardcore", or whatever) share some sort of mutal recognition if not interaction or appreciation. I know crusties, hardcore kids, street punks and grindcore fans who listen to this bike is a pipe bomb, so there is mutual interaction and appreciation between the genres of folk-punk and all these other punk offshoots. The thing is, grindcore doesn't sound very punk either, yet it has common roots and fanbases. The Ungovernable Force 00:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Last FM seems to think it exists. http://www.last.fm/tag/folk%20punk

This is absolute hogwash. Read the article on folk-punk. Get a clue and get over it. You should stop sticking your uninformed opinions where there are already verifiable, accurate facts. You yourself claimed your assertions were opinions - ours are educated, informed, accurate facts. You want a debate on folk-punk, take it to the discussion on the folk-punk page, claim the genre doesn't exist, but you're not going to win that debate there and you shouldn't be having it here.149.43.x.x 02:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought you were talking to me at first! I didn't realise you were a different user till the end. I agree. I would revert it back right now, but then it would be 3RR on me (speaking of which, I need to report Tombride for that!). Unless they can cite a source like I did they are merely engaging in original (and disruptive) research. The Ungovernable Force 05:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added a NPOV tag to this page. It seems that your main interest here is promoting "folk-punk". Not detailing an accurate description of the band in question. Tombride 06:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I barely listen to folk-punk!!! This and Against Me! are the only folk-punk bands I've heard and I only have one cd from each. How is it I'm here to promote folk-punk? I'm here to promote factual accuracy, and I see you have still not cited a source to say why they are not folk-punk and just folk. Most everyone else seemed fine with the punk label ever since this article has been in existence with the exception of yourself and the anon, and honestly, I think you're one in the same (which would mean you have already violated WP:3RR). Unless you cite your source you have absolutely nothing to back you up on this. The Ungovernable Force 06:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Their own bio on their label webpage doesn't contain the word punk. http://www.plan-it-x.com/tbiapb/Tombride 06:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

A lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack. Furthermore it doesn't mention folk once either, so I guess they are just a genre-less band huh? The Ungovernable Force 06:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

They must be so ground-breaking as to defy definition.Tombride 06:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, two of the record labels they have released on as well as the associated press seems to think they're punk. The only evidence you have presented is that they don't mention punk on their offical page on Plan-It-X. They don't mention folk either, so where is your evidence that they are only folk? All you seem to have is your opinion backed up by nothing. Please see WP:No original research. The Ungovernable Force 06:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Look, they're on [punknews], their [myspace page] says punk, [Ghostmeat], their first label, says they're "punk-folk," and I'm sure I could find more if I kept looking. I've again changed it back to say folk-punk, and I think it would be best if we considered this dispute settled. If you want to challenge the legitimacy of the genre, take it up in that article. If you want to challenge whether this band is in that genre, you'll have to cite some sources, besides your own opinion, that say definitively that they are not. Otherwise you're making a pretty big problem out of nothing. 149.43.x.x 17:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

NPOV needs to be removed. The band's record label itself indicates the band is "folk-punk" (quote: "folk punk at it's finest," http://www.plan-it-x.com/catalog.html#frontseat). Please review WP:No original research. This is absolutely unacceptable, as there is a pretty vast amount of evidence to the contrary of what you're saying but nothing in support. Jer 10:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

More evidence that folk-punk doesn't exist (I deleted the link as I had the wrong thing in my clipboard and can't find the OG).Tombride 20:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd also like to note that their myspace (with one whole friend; that hasn't been logged into in a year) lists them as folk / punk. Slash not dash. The punknews article doesn't mention a genre at all except in user posts, and the ghostmeat link says "punk-rock folk". Of the two articles that ACTUALLY mention folk and punk they are never hyphenated, but left as seperate genres. Tombride 20:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

ha, ha, very funny. Lets link to gay porn (I don't believe your excuse for a second). Actually, that was kinda hot, but whatever. Can someone please report tombride to the admins for violating 3RR, WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA and vandalism (see his/her talkpage for the personal attacks, but check, in the history because he/she keeps blanking it and messing around with my posts. I would, but I'm in between classes at school right now and have to leave in a second. The Ungovernable Force 20:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

That's ridiculous and you know it. Regardless of the punctuation you might choose, the GENRE itself is that which is listed at folk-punk. I've fixed it to what should be your satisfaction, now STOP screwing with this article. 149.43.x.x 22:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

That myspace isn't a legitimate one, the band has publicly declared that they will not use myspace. hence, no friends on there. Also, MySpace doesn't allow for the genre Folk-Punk, but you can select up to three genres. MySpace automatically adds the slash. This is because folk-punk is an emerging genre. Again, please stop vandalizing the page without being able to cite legitimate evidence. Jer 22:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

As if the difference between a slash and a hyphen is even that big a deal, folk/punk, folk-punk, it is what it is, regardless. I think that as of now, this issue has been resolved and would invite any further discussion to be continued below without any more senseless revsion and unproductive discussion. Since this matter seems to be settled, unless Tombride or someone else thinks otherwise, I'd say we've officially decided (for the time being) on the wording that exists as of now. 149.43.x.x 20:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I still don't agree with what is there, but it's reached the point where I don't really care to fight it anymore. The current wording stays with my standing objections.Tombride 04:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm glad you voiced your objections, and I'm glad you've agreed to stop "fighting," but I'd like to remind you that the policy on "original research" means that your opinion, what you agree with, what you object to, is pointless when there is substantial factual evidence to the contrary and none in favor. So I wouldn't call it "fighting" so much as a revert-war based on a controversial, unsubstantiated reversion. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bringing up the debate again, and I am glad you wanted to lend a hand in this article, but please remember that your revisions must be verifiable, especially when you revert something that has evidence backing it (which, if you obtain at some point, I'd love to see and discuss in a friendly, professional manner). Thanks. 149.43.x.x 06:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

too much to read, but folk-punk is definately what they are and it is a real genre - a combination of genre's really. 40 years ago people blasphemized about bob dylan being a sort of "folk-rock" but would you say that it isnt a real genre? SECProto 16:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't be so ridiculous! Anyone who beleives 'punk' to be a sound has no ears. Contrast Amebix, Crass, Black Flag and Social Distortion (All of which are generally considered punk), and you will find almost no resembalence. However, they do all share lyrical components in common with TBIAPB. If you're trying to say that normal punks would not call TBIAPB punk, then that's original research and is unnacceptable. As such, you have not made a single valid point. Arguing about what Punk is is pointless; a million different styles (EG Social D and Amebix) and a million different views (EG Skrewdriver and Conflict. You're not a punk, and I'm telling everyone! - Save Your Generation by Jawbreaker 782 Naumova 10:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Just because punk doens't have one particular sound doesn't mean it doesn't have particular distincitive elements in several different subgenres or styles, not to commonalities in roots and also in non-musical social/cultural elements and their roots. Please don't revive an old argument (especially when you're attacking someone who wasn't making any sort of a fuss).149.43.x.x 17:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

kid- that's a quote from jawbreaker's "boxcar," not "save your generation." :] arguing what's punk and what's not is something that'll go on forever and won't be resolved in this talkbox, but it's fun to see it go on.

Actually, Tombride was right. "Punks" who don't actually listen to "folk-punk" music have much more right to judge the genre than any folk-punk band or listener. Similar to how "jazz", and "rock and roll" aren't actually music by the standards of "real musicians" of their time.

the bike in pennsylvania

the bike that caused panic at St. Joseph's University did not have a sticker on it, "This Bike is a Pipe Bomb" was actually written on the bike

That's been fixed. The article cited confirms it. Chubbles 03:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)