Talk:Third Saturday in October

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Question about vacated game

Since Alabama had to vacate the 2005 win, the article presents the series record as "Alabama leads 45–38–7." But if Tennessee were to take the lead in the series by winning the next 9 in a row, the series record would be "Tennessee leads 47–46–7. In other words, the record currently only gives the number of Bama victories in the series, not the number of Tennessee losses, which would only be given if Tennessee takes the series lead. So my question for the editors is, should we add Tennessee's record in the series as well, either in parentheses or with an asterisk? CH52584 (talk) 17:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

Unresolved

 – Discussion improperly closed by one of only two particpants before consensus was reached. Altairisfar (talk) 20:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The result of the proposal was no consensus.

• Note: improperly closed by Nascarking a.k.a. Daytona 500 at 02:25, 22 September 2012. Also struck out others comments (now restored). Altairisfar (talk) 19:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Third Saturday in October → Alabama–Tennessee football rivalry – A rivalry in any sport should not be named after a date or trophy. The Third Saturday in September was moved to become the Florida–Tennessee football rivalry and Tiger–Sooner Peace Pipe was moved by me to become the Missouri–Oklahoma football rivalry, so why is this still called the Third Saturday in October? Nuggets56 19:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Without commenting on the merits of moving this article, Florida–Tennessee football rivalry never resided at Third Saturday in September and YOU MOVED Tiger–Sooner Peace Pipe to Missouri–Oklahoma football rivalry less than 24 hours prior to making the above proposal. Just so we're clear. --auburnpilot talk 15:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

You say that the Florida–Tennessee football rivalry never resided at Third Saturday in September. Then why did I visit it and get a redirect to the Florida–Tennessee football rivalry page? I'll admit that I should've disclosed the fact that I did move Tiger–Sooner Peace Pipe to Missouri–Oklahoma football rivalry. I was just mentioning it to bolster my argument for moving this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuggets56 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Object: This is the official name used by both Tennessee and Alabama. In the case of Florida-Tennessee and Missouri-Oklahoma, there's no official name.--Daytona 500 00:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

You have no proof that "this is the official name used by both Tennessee and Alabama." Maybe if you got a source that says so, then I'd believe you. And besides, its not regularly scheduled to take place on the Third Saturday in October anymore. It even says in the article that "from 1995 to 2012, it has only been scheduled for that date six times." So why do you insist on keeping a now almost-unused title? I got proof that its not the official title of the rivalry right here: http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/10/alabama-tennessee_football_riv.html If it was the official name, then it would be referred to as such. Nuggets56 (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 18:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Unless that blog is written by someone who's involved with either programs, you can't use a blog as a source on Wikipedia according to wiki policy Wikipedia:BLOGS. So your point is invalid.--Daytona 500 18:30, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Here's something from the Alabama football page itself (and it's not a blog): http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101909aad.html This page says it was referred to the Third Saturday in October up until 1995, when the SEC realigned its conference scheduling. So now it's not the Third Saturday in October anymore. Is this valid enough for you now? Nuggets56 (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 19:41, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

No it isn't. Your source is a primary source and Wikipedia discourages primary sources. And furthermore, the common name is more than likely the current name.Daytona 500 20:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

If you're worried about keeping the "official" name for this rivalry, why is the Florida–Georgia football rivalry officially called the "Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic"? Apparently Wikipedia doesn't have to use the "official" name that a college uses, which means they are meaningless and unnecessary, unless voted upon by the fans, like the Rumble in the Rockies. It also means that you're just blocking this for no reason. Nuggets56 (talk • contribs —Preceding undated comment added 23:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

You haven't given a single reliable source that proves your point.--Daytona 500 23:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

• The "blog" above is actually an article from The Huntsville Times, the main newspaper for the city of Huntsville, Alabama. Contrary to the word blog being in the address, it is not a blog or a primary source. All of Advance Publications newspapers are published online in this manner, including the Press-Register, The Birmingham News, and The Times-Picayune. (I have no opinion on whether the title should be moved.) Altairisfar (talk) 13:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Well now since I have a reliable source that backs up my claim that the Third Saturday in October is not the official name for this rivalry, is it wrong for me to assume that I can move this page to the Alabama–Tennessee football rivalry without any problems? Nuggets56 05:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuggets56 (talk • contribs)

Not yet. Since you still insist on using a primary source to prove your point I'm going to use a secondary source (ESPN) to prove otherwise. [1] proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the official name.--Daytona 500 22:55, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Apparently you didn't read Altairisfar's post on here. I think it's now obvious that you're ignoring the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuggets56 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC on page move

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A summary of the debate may be found at the bottom of the discussion.

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• No consensus to move. Altairisfar (talk) 17:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment is sought in light of the above move request (see Talk:Third Saturday in October#Requested move if this conversation is transcluded) that was improperly closed by one of only two move request participants, Nascarking a.k.a. Daytona500. The main question here is whether the title should or shouldn't be moved from Third Saturday in October to Alabama–Tennessee football rivalry. Note that page had been stable at Third Saturday in October until September 9, 2012, when it was moved without discussion by Bt8257. That same day Nascarking requested a speedy move back to original location and it was done by Malcolmxl5. Then Nuggets56 made a requested move on the talk page on September 14, 2012. That user was for moving and Nascarking was against. They were the only two participants with an opinion. Nascarking (a.k.a. Daytona500) then struck out some of Nugget56's comments and closed the move request on September 22, 2012 with an edit summary of "No more comments can be made in this section." This RfC is not about the behavior presented, but rather to gain a broader input to determine whether the article title should or should not be moved to Alabama–Tennessee football rivalry. Some points are outlined below:

1. Possible points FOR moving: In 2011 the Tennessee Volunteers' Tennessee Football website (article here) referred to it as the Tennessee-Alabama rivalry. The Alabama Crimson Tide football team (article here) states that the annual Alabama-Tennessee game was simply referred to as The Third Saturday in October for 66 years until 1995, when it began to be played on other days due to SEC scheduling changes (it has been played on the 3rd saturday in October a few times since though). In 2012 it was referred to as the Alabama-Tennessee football rivalry here in The Huntsville Times of Huntsville, Alabama; in 2011 as the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry here in The Birmingham News of Birmingham, Alabama; A 2012 Outkick the Coverage article refers to it as the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry game.
2. Possible points for NOT moving: Should the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry continue as 'The Third Saturday in October? 2011 poll from an al.com sportswriter.
3. NEUTRAL/AMBIGUOUS points: A 2012 Red & Black article from the University of Georgia newspaper mentioned it as a rivalry with the nickname of The Third Saturday in October. A 2012 Tuscaloosa News article here refers to it as both the Alabama-Tennessee series and The Third Saturday in October. Altairisfar (talk) 19:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Note I have blocked Nuggets56 (talk · contribs) as a sock puppet of Bt8257 (talk · contribs). --auburnpilot talk 18:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
• Slight support for move, but I'm ok with either. It doesn't appear to be an official name. Bms4880 (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

WHOA WHOA WHOA...If this was started by a sock then this discussion has no credibility. If you need an example, the most recent AFD on the Fingerpoke of Doom was tainted with socks.--Daytona 500 00:04, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Contributions by banned editors are generally reverted and/or deleted, depending on the situation. Edits by blocked editors (including socks) are not treated that way. The discussion should continue on its own merits. --auburnpilot talk 00:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Since when does a move or deletion discussion still carry on when a sock was involved? I'd also like to point out a sock started this move debate.--Daytona 500 00:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

The discussion has not been tainted by sock activity. The account that started the initial discussion turned out to be a sock, but the main account did not participate in this discussion. As such, the outcome will not be impacted by the discovery of the sock account in any way. If you wish to discuss the merits of the move, this is the correct place to do so. If you want to discuss the broader issue of sock involvement in discussions, Wikipedia talk:Sock puppetry would be a starting point. --auburnpilot talk 00:27, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Tennessee's colors

I changed Tennessee's colors for the rivalry to Orange & White (the school's colors), that way it is consistent with the other rivalries (school colors). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhar564 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Mhar564: Please read WP:CONTRAST or WP:ACCESS. White is not compliant (readable) with UT Orange, and the following link will back it up. White on Orange vs. Black on Orange. Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 20:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)