Talk:They shall not pass

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I remove 3 photos

The article look it awful with 4 images so i remove 3 of then i let only the most important one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Il giovane bello 73 (talk • contribs) 08:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Thermopylae

I wonder whether it's worth noting that perhaps the canonical example of "They shall not pass" is the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae, although I'm not aware of any record of anyone there actually saying those words. (The characteristic catchphrase of that battle being instead "Come and get them!") -- 201.37.229.117 (talk) 13:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ils ne passeront pas

The poster says On ne passe pas. Is this a more idiomatic French version? Elanthia (talk) 11:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would translate that as "none shall pass", or more loosely, "none get through".Mtsmallwood (talk) 04:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"none" is definitely not meant. "Ils ne passeront pas" is also not the same as "on ne passe pas" = "one does not pass" means "no trespassing"--91.34.212.111 (talk) 02:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nievelle

Where can you prove it was said by Nievelle as i thought it was said by Petain at the height of Verdun? http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/petain.htm

Goldblooded (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This page is little more than a collection of left-wing trivia

What it says on the title. Re-use of the slogan in multiple instants is not notable. FOARP (talk) 21:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Cleaning up non-notable uses.198.161.2.211 (talk) 15:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lord of the Rings not notable???

The reference to JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings was removed as 'Literary use: Remove passing pop culture references'. Is the thought here that LoTR is not 'notable'? The Lord of the Rings was first published 60 years ago. It is one of the best selling novels ever, with more than 150 million copies sold. I don't see how that is 'passing pop culture' nor do I understand how something being 'passing pop culture' means it should be removed from wikipedia. If the idea is that LoTR is not notable, I would beg to disagree. Further, this particular scene from the book and films has been cited in secondary sources and is notable taken in isolation from the work as a whole. This is the Trope Namer for the 'You Shall Not Pass' trope on tvtropes, for instance.

"This trope is named for Gandalf's big scene against the Balrog (no, not THAT Balrog, or THAT Balrog) of Moria. Technically Gandalf's line was "You cannot pass". Thus, if you want to get technical, the movie adapation is the trope namer."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YouShallNotPass/Literature

Scanlyze (talk) 11:26, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How is the video game 'Battlefield I' okay here in this article but LotR is not? Which is notable?

Scanlyze (talk) 21:26, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the quote was "None shall pass!", but now I wonder if I'm wrong. There maybe a discrepancy between the book and movie. Liberty5651 (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC) or maybe it's from Wizard Of OZ?? Liberty5651 (talk) 20:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC) Well, I looked it up. It's certainly "You cannot pass!"^[1], as others have noted. Liberty5651 (talk) 18:12, 20 July 2020 (UTC). Was it "None shall pass" in the animated Lord of The Rings released about 1980? Liberty5651 (talk) 13:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ TOLKIEN, J.R.R. (1965). The Fellowship of the Ring BEING THE FIRST PART OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS, Second Edition. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HOUGHTON MIFFLIN COMPANY BOSTON. LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CARD ID NUMBER:67-12274. ISBN: 0-395-08254-4. pg 244

Romanian

User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi Man, are you a bastard? The Romanian version is WAAAY more important, as it was a great victory in World War I, as opposed to a mere battle in a civil war! Besides, it sounds the most original and I don't think it freaking hurts to show some respect for the heroes of Mărășești! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.122.202.114 (talk) 19:10, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Distinguish between languages?

I'm wondering whether this article would make more sense if it distinguished between the phrase in different languages? I'd expect someone who said "On ne passe pas" to be referencing Verdun; I'd expect someone who said "¡No pasarán!" to be referencing Madrid; I'd probably expect someone who said "You shall not pass" to be referencing Tolkein - but we mix them together in this article, with Triquet's Verdun reference appearing after Madrid, because it is chronologically later, even though it is a reference exclusively to Verdun not Madrid. I'm inclined to reorganise with different sections for "On ne passe pas" and "¡No pasarán!" - any thoughts? TSP (talk) 13:02, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree.

Scanlyze (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How does this page not mention Lord of the Rings?

See title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.214.54.198 (talk) 03:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to say the same thing. References in video games are listed in otherwise serious pages, so it isn't outlandish to mention books, I don't think. Know Einstein (talk) 00:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] TOLKIEN, J.R.R. (1965). The Fellowship of the Ring BEING THE FIRST PART OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS, Second Edition. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HOUGHTON MIFFLIN COMPANY BOSTON. LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CARD ID NUMBER:67-12274. ISBN: 0-395-08254-4. pg 244

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