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"X-Files: The Movie". Cinefantastique. Vol. 30, no. 2. June 1998. pp. 18–29. Retrieved May 5, 2021.

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Requested move 26 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 5 7 21:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The X-Files (film) → The X-Files: Fight the Future – There have been two X-Files films, this and The X-Files: I Want to Believe. So, "The X-Files (film)" should be a disambiguation page to the two of them, while both movies should be located at the article page with the subtitle. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "Fight the future" was just a tagline frequently seen on the film's posters (like "In space, no one can hear you scream", etc). It's not even used on home media releases. Sources just list the film under the title The X-Files (imdb, Allmovie, Metacritic, BFI, and so on. I'd even argue for the removal of the tagline from being mentioned in bold in the lead, to be honest. GRAPPLE ^X 18:42, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move to The X-Files (1998 film) per WP:NCF ping User:Grapple X. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:48, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support WP:NATURALDAB -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 06:06, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and move to The X-Files (1998 film).--Gen. Quon (Talk) 15:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- comment if this isn't moved to the proposed title, then I support this alternative, since there are multiple X-Files films -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 06:22, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - But there is only one which is actually called The X-Files, so there is no need for further disambiguation. GRAPPLE ^X 06:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The creators have stated that they call it Fight the Future, so there's no serious debate over whether it's an official title. With that in mind, I'd say Fight the Future should be the article title per WP:COMMONNAME. ONR (talk) 16:34, 30 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Naval Rooftops (talk • contribs)
For it to be considered the most common name, it would actually need to be the most common name used—I provided several major sources above to show that this isn't actually the case, and that simply The X-Files is the most common name. GRAPPLE ^X 18:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Preferred as better for recognizability and natural disambiguation. User:Grapple X's point is no more than that The X-Files (film) should redirect to The X-Files: Fight the Future. The X-Files (1998 film) & The X-Files (2008 film) are worthy titles, better for non-committed X-files fans, but the film title:subtitle formats make for better article titles. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Title: Subtitle" makes perfect sense, but this isn't actually the subtitle of the film, and I have provided several sources to back that up. it was an advertising tagline. Jaws 2 is not called Jaws 2: Just When You Thought It Was Safe to Go Back in the Water, for example. GRAPPLE ^X 16:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The tagline is a subtitle. On the poster, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/XFilesMoviePoster.jpg, it is a subtitle. In commentary (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365474/?ref_=ttmd_ph_tt2 "The Making of 'The X Files: Fight the Future' (1998)"), it is used as a subtitle. Cosistently and extensively, the "Title: Subtitle" format is listed as an "alternative title". In these respects, it is exactly the same as "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", except this case is even more clear, as "Fight the Future" is an unambiguous standalone title for this film.
If not moved to The X-Files: Fight the Future (1st preference), move to The X-Files (1998 film). The current title is ambiguous. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Home media releases are simply titled The X-Files. (imdb, Allmovie, Metacritic, BFI, Roger Ebert, Empire, Entertainment Weekly, Variety, all just use The X-Files. It's not that ambiguous at all. GRAPPLE ^X 00:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SmokeyJoe, you have to look at the billing block. This says the billing block is "the product of detailed legal agreements and intense contract negotiations". For example, while posters may show Se7en as the stylized title, the billing block will show just Seven. The same thing is happening here where the tagline looks like a subtitle too, but the billing block actually just says The X-Files. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 02:19, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grapple, those sources predate the second X-Files movie that made the first ambiguous. New sources that are aware of "I Want to Believe" use "Fight the Future". It may have been a tagline, but it was also a subtitle, and now it has become the handle.

Erik, I looked and have no idea why you would think I have to look. "Se7en" is creative styling. "Fight the Future" is a subtitle.

1st choice The X-Files: Fight the Future. 2nd choice The X-Files (1998 film). Both are acceptable, the current is not. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:50, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SmokeyJoe: No, it is not a subtitle. The billing block for The X-Files does not include "Fight the Future" in any way. The X-Files is the fullest title for the film there is. Anything else is not a true representation of the title. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I am not impressed by a "billing block" but look to how sources title the film, in this case with special emphasis on post 2008 as something happened that year to change things. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:26, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SmokeyJoe: As I stated above, the billing block is "the product of detailed legal agreements and intense contract negotiations". WP:COMMONNAME says, "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources." The claim that the film's full title is The X-Files: Fight the Future is inaccurate and should not be used here, even though sources have made that mistake. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. We follow the sources regardless of someone's complex arguments that they are somehow "wrong". NB. This is pedicated on the fact that the actual title is unavailable, and WP:Natural. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose since "Fight the Future" is not an official subtitle. The billing block simply writes "The X-Files". As for disambiguation, the sequel is clear-cut with the title The X-Files: I Want to Believe. I do think that "The X-Files (film)" on its own can appear ambiguous, especially since we sometimes drop subtitles, so I am fine with a move to The X-Files (1998 film) for full clarity. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move, oppose adding 1998 as well, it's fine here. Per sources offered, "Fight the Future" was more of a tagline / slogan. I don't think the year is really needed since "I want to Believe" was both a lot less notable, and also rarely referred to as just "The X-Files." SnowFire (talk) 20:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The X-Files: I Want to Believe is rarely if ever simply called just "The X-Files", so the present disambiguation is enough to distinguish it.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:21, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here's a comment from Mark Snow. [web.archive.org/web/20101007074423/http://biglight.com/blog/fight-the-future] --CyberGhostface (talk) 14:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose but it might need a hatnote to the other film. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"Five main characters from the television series appear in the film"

What about the lone gunmen? Aren't they main characters? Gvanrossum (talk) 03:47, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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the salon article mentions the film was released on DVD on January 16, this source mentions January 23. So, which is it? Timur9008 (talk) 12:58, September 11, 2019 (UTC) https://web.archive.org/web/20010110211600/http://www.hive4media.com:80/news/html/Product_article.cfm?article_id=377