Talk:The World Turned Upside Down
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[edit]Moving this external link here: It's apparently unrelated to the subject of the article and may be considered adspam per Wikipedia:Spam:
When the King Enjoys his Own Again
[edit]Wasn't this ballad based on the "Marry Me, Marry Me, Quoth the Bonny Lass"? This is what Dennis Montgomery claims, citing a monograph by John B. Mitchell. 129.105.171.149 (talk) 23:18, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Battle of Naseby
[edit]The Battle of Naseby was fought on 14 June 1645. The last verse in the version in the external links says "To conclude, I'le tell you news that's right, Christmas was kil'd at Naseby fight:" So this version of the song must post date June 1645 and no source is given for the current date of 1643. --Philip Baird Shearer 22:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- You are quite correct on both points: the date of 1643 is unsourced, and it is also impossible that the final verse of this song was composed before June 1645. Until someone speaks up who knows the exact details, I have changed 1643 to something a bit more vague. — Lawrence King (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Cartoon
[edit]There is also a long tradition of the World Turned upside down in graphic art, literature and politics. Should this page be moved to "The World Turned Upside Down (song)" or should we rewrite it as a combined page?
- THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN, OR No News, and Strange News
- The World Turned Upside Down: The Fair as an Escape
- WAR AND SOCIETY IN EARLY MODERN EUROPE
- Christopher Hill, The World Turned Upside Down: Radical Ideas During the English Revolution --Perhaps the best known book with this title.
- Source 1 The World Turned Upside Down. A cartoon drawn in 1647 in the Thomason Collection of Civil War Tracts
--Philip Baird Shearer 22:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- I was looking for the Christopher Hill book referenced above - which is also the most relevant to the subject matter here, both being about "radical ideas in the English Revolution"; I suspect Hill titled his book in direct reference to the song. Somebody ought to write a Wikipedia article on the book, imho (but not me, not right now). --Davecampbell (talk) 21:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Incorrect image?
[edit]The image on this page claims to be of the 1646 publication of the ballad. While at first glance it seems this is the case, I don't think this is correct. The image is indeed from a 1646 publication but it's not a ballad, it's a pamphlet (https://search.proquest.com/eebo/docview/2240945842/99873258/7A57287A7E8047A8PQ/1 [account needed]). The text of this pamphlet is not the same as the ballad's; it begins "The Picture that is printed in the front/Is like the Kingdom, if you look upon't" rather than "Listen to me and you shall hear." Moreover, this page is entitled "The World Turned Upside Down" and the ballad is repeatedly referred to as having that title but from what I've found, the title is actually "The World is Turned Upside Down" (http://ebba.english.ucsb.edu/ballad/36622/image [no account needed]). I won't change anything because I could be wrong about both of these things, but they're worth looking into.