Talk:The Walnut Tree

Veneers

I did a quick google books search for 'brashing+walnut' and found this which suggests that removing lower branches to a height of 5m on walnuts leads to longer lengths of useful knot free timber for walnut veneers - and that brashing is usually used to knock off lower branches to 2m with pruning above that. It would probably be original research to claim that was the meaning of the rhyme - but it seems plausible so I thought I'd leave the thought here in case someone else happens to have more info on growing walnut trees EdwardLane (talk) 22:46, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Poor Language

Copied from Sweetpool50's talk page: Sweetpool50, most non-native English speakers associate ass with something else. "It later served as foundation for a different fable based on a proverb about three things that are the better for beating, a misogynistic saying widespread in Europe that has many variants worldwide." is not English. "foundation" is the wrong term! What does "better for beating" mean? Better than what? It sounds to be google-translated. Please, revert your last edit! --Geysirhead (talk) 21:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you a "non-native English speaker" yourself? You certainly do not seem at home with UK usage, anyway. The LA Times at least seems happy with the phrasing you deprecate. But I'm grateful to you for drawing my attention to the summary in the lede which said more than is mentioned in the article, and I've modified that. As for use of the word "ass", that is the word used where that animal appears in the referenced English sources. If you really feel there is an ambiguity, a link to the donkey "or ass" WP article would have been a better approach. Sweetpool50 (talk) 22:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

"It later served as foundation for a different fable based on a European proverb about three things that are the better for beating." is still not an English sentence and contains grammar issues. Please, at least link your ass to Asinus! It is an ambiguous term even for native English speakers, especially in the context of "better beating". I will answer your question about my native tongue once you answer my previously posed questions. It sounds like a fair deal to me.--Geysirhead (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Unless you too are a native speaker of UK English and have a degree in the subject, leave me to judge what is correct usage. I will make the link I suggested to you. As for moving up the image, it is presently sited where it is discussed in the text, which is perfectly acceptable. So far as I know, there is no policy that demands that an illustration should always be at the head of an article. If you want to discuss matters further, I suggest this takes place on the article's Talk page, as suggested by WP:BRD. Sweetpool50 (talk) 09:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Unless you are a native speaker of UK English and have a degree in the subject, leave me to judge what is correct usage. Please, elaborate on the means of proving it to you! --Geysirhead (talk) 10:10, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I've made a few changes that perhaps we can agree on. Misogyny is nowhere mentioned in the article and WP editors tend to get jumpy when it's mentioned, so it may be best left out. The article should really keep to the subject of the fable, so too much discussion of the proverb, except where authors make the connection, would be WP:OFFTOPIC. Should you want to take the discussion further, I'll transfer some of the above to the article's talk page. Sweetpool50 (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

No. It later served as foundation for a different fable based on a European proverb about three things that are better for beating. remains nonsense.Geysirhead (talk) 11:40, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Geysirhead: Could you please explain what you think the problem is with that sentence. Paul August ☎ 21:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

On the evidence of the above, Geysirhead does not seem interested in editing according to guidelines or in cooperating with others. I have accordingly transferred the discussion here so that those with an interest in the subject can take part. Sweetpool50 (talk) 00:13, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

"as foundation for a different fable based on a European proverb" A "different fable" was "founded" of the primary fable, but "based" on the proverb? Is "foundation" meant to be a synonym to "base"? "about three things that are better for beating" The little word "better" is a Comparative derived from "good". It should compare two entities. The first entity is "three things". What is the second one? Why should we use null comparative here? --Geysirhead (talk) 09:28, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sweetpool50: "It later served as foundation for a different fable based on a European proverb about three things that are better for beating" suggests that there are multiple fables, which are somehow not as "good" for "beating" as some mysterious three things. Total nonsense. Did the primary fable together with the "European proverb" about the mysterious "three things" founded/based the secondary fable? What is the name of the secondary fable? --Geysirhead (talk) 09:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Ivan Pnin's fable

There is a 1798 fable by Ivan Pnin which seems related, although I am not sure if it is closer to this one or The Trees and the Bramble. There, an Apple is constantly mocked by a nearby Bramble for being abused due to its apples. Then a man picking up one of the apples gets pricked by the Bramble and cuts it down completely. Omeganian (talk) 05:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

It sounds as if the story relates more to The Trees and the Bramble, but even then the connection does not sound very close. Is there a Russian source, or even a comment by Pnin himself, about the tale on which he is performing a variation? Sweetpool50 (talk) 10:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

It was published without comments. Can't find any by others. Omeganian (talk) 12:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)