Talk:The Unknown Soldier (novel)/GA1
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Reviewer: Cognissonance (talk · contribs) 05:08, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
I'll take this one. Cognissonance (talk) 05:08, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
The review was done parallel with Talk:The Unknown Soldier (2017 film)/GA1.
Lead
[edit]"one of the best-selling books of all time in Finland" – "of all time" is unnecessary.Amended."It has sold nearly 800,000 units, has been translated into 20 different languages and has been adapted into three films with the latest one released in 2017." – Only the first "has" and "been" are necessary.Amended.
Synopsis
[edit]Setting and characters
[edit]"A picture of the whole nation in a microcosm" – What is the purpose of this? It just seems like a more verbose way of saying the line that follows.Yeah, true, sounded nicely flowing when paraphrased from the source, but I removed it to be more encyclopedic."After all, they are all there just to get the job done" – WP:POV.Removed. I hope that the point made by the sources comes through in the paragraph though: that the soldiers treat the war as any other job to cope with it (duh, I bet every soldier has to do that) or smth along those lines? Any suggestions?
Plot
[edit]"To immortalize the attitude and bonds the soldiers shared" – Is there a source that suggests this? If not, it's WP:OR / WP:POV.Most likely it popped up unconsciously from some sources, but I removed it to keep the plot summary totally based on the novel.
Themes
[edit]"an organ lacking in earlier depictions" – WP:POV: "an organ he saw was lacking in earlier depictions".Added.
Reception and legacy
[edit]<"that almost every Finn has read" – Establish that this is because it is read by every Finnish child at school.Hmmmm the source didn't state this explicitly (just says that almost every Finn has read it) and I don't think it's mandatory in literature classes anymore. I added "has read at school or some other point in their lives", but is it too clumsy or uninformative now?
Overall
[edit]There are some questions to be answered from the notes, otherwise the article is very impressive. On hold. Cognissonance (talk) 07:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Cognissonance: Thx for the review! I've addressed your comments. Funny how blind one becomes to his own little NPOV or OR even while totally trying to avoid them. Manelolo (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Manelolo: I whittled the sentence down to: "that Finns were given to read at school". Is this a fair compromise? Cognissonance (talk) 10:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm I'm not personally too comfortable with it since the source only says "Soon after The Unknown Soldier was published in 1954, the novel was designated a classic in Finnish culture, and today it is a book that almost every Finn has read" and I cannot find a good source for the school claim. I dug more into the source in question and found perhaps a better resonating and more informative claim in its notes; thus, I switched the sentence to the following: "but has since become a revered household classic rated as the book that has most profoundly impressed Finnish citizens." If it's still odd, I'd suggest just removing them? Manelolo (talk) 11:16, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't sound odd, but which source does it come from? The source that substantiates the school claim is ref. 6 (The Herald). Cognissonance (talk) 11:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oh my, didn't even realise it's mentioned in ref 6 as well (I took the original "read by every Finn" quote from ref 2). To keep things simple, I undid my latest revision back to your compromise. The latest claim was from the end notes of ref 2, paraphrasing another source. That would require maybe a bit more extra work with reffing etc. so better to just remove it for now. Hope it's all dandy now. Manelolo (talk) 12:37, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Manelolo: The article looks great.
Cognissonance (talk) 21:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Manelolo: The article looks great.
- Oh my, didn't even realise it's mentioned in ref 6 as well (I took the original "read by every Finn" quote from ref 2). To keep things simple, I undid my latest revision back to your compromise. The latest claim was from the end notes of ref 2, paraphrasing another source. That would require maybe a bit more extra work with reffing etc. so better to just remove it for now. Hope it's all dandy now. Manelolo (talk) 12:37, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't sound odd, but which source does it come from? The source that substantiates the school claim is ref. 6 (The Herald). Cognissonance (talk) 11:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm I'm not personally too comfortable with it since the source only says "Soon after The Unknown Soldier was published in 1954, the novel was designated a classic in Finnish culture, and today it is a book that almost every Finn has read" and I cannot find a good source for the school claim. I dug more into the source in question and found perhaps a better resonating and more informative claim in its notes; thus, I switched the sentence to the following: "but has since become a revered household classic rated as the book that has most profoundly impressed Finnish citizens." If it's still odd, I'd suggest just removing them? Manelolo (talk) 11:16, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Manelolo: I whittled the sentence down to: "that Finns were given to read at school". Is this a fair compromise? Cognissonance (talk) 10:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
