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Inconsistent opening

Sometimes, the glass of water in the opening sequence will "magically" turn into a glass of milk, and on the other side of the glass, there will be two cookies, other times, it will remain as a glass of water, and no cookies will appear. Is there any significance in these changes? Also, should we include this in the article? -Xparasite9 19:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i know this is old but: the glass of milk, and two cookies are normally from end of November to first week of January for Christmas, the normal opening is the glass of water 156.33.195.254 (talk) 19:28, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Recurring segments: Iron Jay and Stern?

I didn't see the "Iron Jay" segments listed in the recurring segments, though he hasn't done it in a while, he did do it quite often towards the beginning of his Tonight Show tenure. There was also another one similar to the Iron Jay segments, but I don't remember what it was called. I don't know if these should be listed. I thought they were pretty funny though back when he did that. —Zachary ^talk 03:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I found out what the other one was: "Mr. Brain", the smartest man in the universe. There was another one too, "Beyondo". —Zachary ^talk 03:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Including Stern's complaint isn't important enough to mention. It comes off as someone from Stern's show making sure that everyone knows that Stern feels that his content was lifted. The reference states, "Stern says Leno's "Jaywalking" bit—where he quizzes hapless pedestrians—was lifted directly from his radio show." "Quizzing hapless pedestrians" isn't intellectual property. It isn't even that imaginative or creative. Please weigh in.

"'s-d' in his house" is spelled wrong. It should be "s-t" or just "shit".

Fair use rationale for Image:Jaytitle.jpg

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Writer's Guild Strike

I hear that the Tonight Show will be airing reruns until the end of the WGA strike. Shouldn't we mention this? 216.166.78.9 16:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edd Hall?

Is there any story to Edd Hall leaving? Did he quit? was he let go? Either way, why? TheHYPO (talk) 06:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jay decided to replace a pro announcer with a stutterer from Howard Stern. From all reports John makes far more then Ed did and more then most pro announcers.68.32.232.224 (talk) 16:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conan O'Brien as guest host

I have removed the following from the introduction: " The first time was when Conan O'Brien guest-hosted as an audition for Late Night. " This is clearly wrong as O'Brien's tenure as host of Late Night coincided with Leno taking over the Tonight Show so there's no way O'Brien could have guest-hosted under Leno. It's possible he might have guest-hosted at some point under Carson, in which case this information belongs under the Carson version of the show, not here. 23skidoo (talk) 15:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe someone saw Conan's audition tape on the Tonight Show set and made an assumption; Conan's audition tape was NOT (as far as I know) broadcast as an episode of the tonight show. TheHYPO (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"New" Tonight Show

Shouldn't we describe HOW this and other talk shows are functioning without writers?--66.32.216.227 (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a source for it, you can cite and mention it, but I haven't seen any significant change in the content. TheHYPO (talk) 00:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aspect ratio

The article says "The show is shot in 16:9 aspect ratio with a 4:3 center-cut for standard definition television sets." This was put in the article back on September 4, 2006 and I'm not sure what it means or if it's accurate now. I supposed that it was meant to say that SDTV broadcasts use a 4:3 center-cut, but at least where I live that's not the case. Here, the show is broadcast in SDTV (4:3) as a letterbox of the original 16:9 format, while in HDTV it is broadcast in original 16:9. I guess this might be different depending on the technical status of each local station. In any case, the article should refer to HDTV and SDTV broadcasts, not television sets. Also, this text has spilled over to the new article about the Conan Tonight Show. Bigmouth strikes (talk) 14:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leno Show a successor to Tonight?

Should The Jay Leno Show be listed alongside The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien in the "Followed by" section of the sidebar? I'm split on this issue. Thoughts? -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contributions} 01:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I would say no. It's not a successor. I would suggest we do something like Late Night with David Letterman does (which lists Late Show with David Letteman as a "Related show"). TJ Spyke 03:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I will incorporate this now. — ^`CRAZY`(lN)`SANE^` 06:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

was/is

I dont see anything in the wikipedia guidelines saying that the word "is" is still appropiate for this show. Crd721 (talk) 06:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is part of the Television project's guidelines, as well as other areas of the MoS. The rationale is that a series - as a creative work - still exists, even if it has ceased production of new episodes. (If you think about it, it makes sense. After all, we certainly don't refer to films and books in the past tense, even though work on them stops long before anyone views them.) Hope this helps. --Ckatz^chat _spy 08:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The guideline is here, and it says, "References to the show should be in the present tense since shows no longer airing still exist, including in the lead (i.e. Title is a...)." -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 15:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly why did Leno leave the show?

Can anyone offer a definitive answer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.88.187 (talk) 22:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's up with the insults?

What's the deal with the sentence?

Some of the stupidest "Jaywalkers" are brought back onto the show to be asked simple questions to see which one is least dumb.

Last time I checked, Wikipedia isn't meant to insult people. The reason why I didn't change it is because I can't think of anything to put in its place. 24.162.120.171 (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed a statement at the top that the article needs clean up. What needs to be done?Ergito (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed it to read: Some of the lowest-scoring "Jaywalkers" are brought back onto the show to be asked simple questions to see which one can score higher. It was very disappointing it was left as an insult for almost a year. It was very easy to revert to a fair description. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 19:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Episodes

When the show starts or when they announce the first guest wee need to put the list of episodesTheSimpsonsRocks (talk) 18:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)TheSimpsonsRocks[reply]

Yes I agree with you strongly, can someone do this please, i would make/update the list my self, but i have no idea how to do that kind of stuff I'm still kind of new to Wikipedia. Please someone take care of this.Loserjay10 (talk) 10:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Episodes

When the show airs on March 1, 2010, and when they have the first guest on the show, We need to put the list of episodes section, I would make/update the list my self, but I have no idea how to do that kind of stuff, I'm still kind of new to Wikipedia. Please someone take care of this. Thanks so much for doing this! Loserjay10 (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Format

With the recent digital "upgrade," are they even shooting anything in 480p any more? I believe that only 1080p is being used now. --Manway (talk) 22:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think they record it at 1080p but they down-convert it to 480i so people can watch it on normal TV. Like i have two NBC channels one is analog NBC channel and other is digital NBC channel, they are the same, just the one is analog & other is digital.Loserjay10 (talk) 16:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing the television template

Having Jay Leno as the "presenter" and Kevin Eubanks as "starring" in the template makes little sense. See Template_talk:Infobox_television#Additional_fields for a proposal to fix this. Fred the happy man (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the "presenter" be Big Dog Productions and "starring" be Jay Leno? --Manway (talk) 04:40, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose to Merge with The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (1992 TV series)

I propose this as NBC is not considering it a new series, but rather a continuation of the old. If you use any cable box check the guide, it says New Episode, but does not say Series, or Season Premiere.--Subman758 (talk) 03:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Did you read the comments on the 1992 show page? We've been through this. More than once. --Manway (talk) 07:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The 2010 continuation of the show is not a new show, and it is not supposed to be remarkably different from his current show, per press reports. This 2010 article will most likely repeat much of what is in the 1992 article. Wikipedianinthehouse (talk) 02:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Oppose per discussion at Talk:The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (1992 TV series). Although indeed this is not necessarily a "new" show when compared to the 1992–2009 series, it is much easier to create a new, separate article for two main reasons: (1) To allow for less confusion and ambiguity on other articles such as The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien, where in the infobox a "preceded by" and "followed by" program is included, and (2) because without a separate article, we'd still be separating any differences in the 2010 show into a separate section in the 1992 show article, so creating a new article is much easier to deal with. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 04:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral; there are good arguments on both sides of the debate. I think either outcome is a valid set up, so I will remain neutral. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 21:51, 5 March 2010 (UTC) (vote changed below)[reply]

Oppose - Not really the place to do this, but the discussion has already occured. Gage (talk) 03:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support- the 2010 "Tonight Show with Jay Leno" should be merged with the old article, the TV Guide does not say it is a new series, and i have not heard it called a new series... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.145.207 (talk • contribs)

Support- We don't separate the original family guy from the resurrected version Why separate this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.95.103 (talk • contribs)

Oppose- I have also listed the same purposes on Tonight Show 1992 Talk: We separated the article due to many reasons: 1) It would be confusing to have Conan in preceded and followed by, 2) We would be creating a lengthy sub-article anyway, which would be messy 3) The potential of Kevin Eubanks leaving the program 4) Wally Wingert as the new announcer and 5) Episodes: The show is being considered a new series, because tonight, 3.2.10, will be Season 1, Episode 2. Thus, the infobox would be confusing to state the show having 17+1 seasons and xxxx+2 episodes. MH 21:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwhayes1995 (talk • contribs)

The preceded by followed by is not confusing. Its pretty clear that someone left, and the same person came back. The tonight show with Jay leno is the tonight show with jay leno so Support —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crd721 (talk • contribs) 04:59, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How does Eubanks departure/Wally's announcing make this a new show? If Eubanks and Melendez had left the old one would we have created a post Eubanks/Melendez show? that is unlikely

--No, my comment was based in the fact of Jay's two tenures would likely need two large subsections, with two seperate infoboxes. This is why it is much simpler in it's current form of two pages. Also, we would likely need to create a new "History," and possibly a new recurring segments in both subsections. Btw, I heard they may be doing a play on 10@10 with 12@12 (the segment airing after midnight passed,) or 11@11:35. Has anybody else heard this? Mwhayes1995 (talk) 22:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The show has not changed to any appreciatable degree. More importantly in creating any article we must first consider what the reader wants. I think that the layman searching for The Tonight Show with Jay Leno would be confused by the existence of two separate articles. This will become more apparent if the show continues for years and the Conan thing fades in the public memory - People will be more apt to view that time as a hiatus of Lenos show rather than when the show stopped and started again. I think a precedent can be seen for this in other shows that have been canceled and brought back on air. Family guy for instance has its original run listed as "January 31, 1999 – February 14, 2002 & May 1, 2005 – present" being presented as one article even though it to was formally canceled and picked up again. User would certainly be confused to have to go to a Family Guy (2001 series) and Family Guy (2005 series) and may have forgotten the show was even canceled. I know that from a writer stand point it is much easier to make a sepeerate page for each of Lenos tenrues; it might even be technically correct in some way. However, it does not benefit the average reader and will only serve as a source of confusion 70.112.184.148 (talk) 04:40, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose- I've spend a lot of my personal time explaining why to make the 2010 section and now it exists. We've been through this toooo much, and this 2010 section is Here to stay!.If you guys somehow agree to merge the 1992-2009 with 2010-present, I promise to close/abandon my Wikipedia account and quit editing/contributing to Wikipedia society, i will just simply walkaway from Wikipedia if this happens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loserjay10 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - If you feel that strongly, then please do quit. It is a poorly written to begin with. Your article contains typos and numerous grammatical errors and warrants correction. It is also out of context in it's present form and therefore should be placed within the context of the original article on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhouserevival (talk • contribs) 21:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, based on the principle that it is the best and simplest solution for our readers. The issues regarding changes in band leader and announcer are trivial, and are also functionally fno different from issues we face when dealing with a standard drama or comedy television series. Face it, it is the Tonight Show with Jay Leno either way. --Ckatz^chat _spy 06:38, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Some valid points Ckatz, and I think the original intention was to create a new article for the 2010 version only if the title changed to something like "The Tonight Show starring Jay Leno", not if it retained its previous name. I have changed my vote to neutral for the time being. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 21:51, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, NBC considers this season 18, so it is obviously not a new series. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 04:42, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support in light of NBC considering it a continuation of the original series. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 05:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, This is the second incarnation of the show; the first series has ended. Despite what anyone says, they are two different shows, despite the fact that they share the same title. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to merge. Oh, and one think I learned from this mess in the first place, don't trust NBC. Just because they consider it to be the 18th season doesn't mean that it is. They are two seperate shows. - Cartoon Boy (talk) 05:56 6 March 2010 (UTC)

"Despite what anyone says"?!? Sorry, but it isn't up to us to decide. We have to respond based on how the producers and other reliable sources treat it, whether we feel the same way or not. Otherwise, we are drifting into original research and opinion. --Ckatz^chat _spy 08:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WTF?? Why do we have season 1, episode 5? NBC's hulu clearly reads Season 18, episode 3880. Somebody needs to update this, or merge '92 and '10 pages together quickly. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 00:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - NBC considers this a continuation of the Leno Tonight show, not a renewal, as evidenced by NBC's promos stating that Leno was returning to The Tonight Show and NBC's officially referring to the current season as "season 18" of the current regime. Despite Cartoon Boy's warning, we must abide by NBC's official stance as to the status of the show (and reported by reliable sources). 147.70.242.54 (talk) 18:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge this show is the same show as the other one, so they should be merged together. The same should be done with the episode list article. Gman124^talk 05:11, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. NBC is clearly treating this as the same show and so should we. Sarilox (talk) 06:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support My knee jerk reaction was to oppose this on the grounds that the combined article would be too large and might warrant splitting up anyway. However from the perspective of NBC the Tonight Show is a contiguous entity. Jay Leno's second tenure being treated as an entirely segregate show by Wikipedia does not help users looking for information on the Tonight Show in the slightest. NBC and Leno are treating it as one entity, for us to do otherwise whatever our personal opinion smacks of politicizing and original research. — Falerin^{<talk>,<contrib>} 16:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This is a separate incarnation of the show. There is a general article called The Tonight Show, but there is also The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien. Having a single article would imply that Conan O'Brien hosting is just considered a hiatus as opposed to a separate series. It is indeed the latter. Yes, Leno came back to the 11:35 slot, but it is officially a different series, starting again at season 1 (though I don't know if NBC sees it that way). Valley2city^‽ 08:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's the same show. Same host, same band, same format, etc. NBC even promotes it as the same show. Valley, those are different shows that are part of the same franchise (sorta like Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise) and had nothing in common with each other besides "The Tonight Show" name, there is nothing different here, Leno just returned. As another user pointed out, this is no different than when Fox brought back Family Guy, do you people opposing a merger think we should have "Family Guy (1999 TV series)" and "Family Guy (2005 TV series)"? Because this is the EXACT same situation. TJ Spyke 19:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, though I agree to support the merge, I fail to see how this is identical to the Family Guy situation. FG wasn't one incarnation in a franchise, Tonight with Jay Leno is. Between the cancellation of FG in 2002 and its revival in 2005, there was no "intermediate replacement" that would require confusing distinction. In the Conan Tonight Show infobox, there is a "preceded by" and "succeeded by" value, and it is confusing to put both The Tonight Show with Jay Leno as a preceding and succeeding show unless both shows starring Leno are considered separate. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 20:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Dunno who thought it was a good idea to split it in the first place. Why not split The Daily Show and A Daily Show (what it was called during WGA strike)? That was more different than 92 and 10 TS w/ Jay. And it is like the Family Guy situation, the new ones have a lot more manatee jokes so if anything FG is more deserving of separate articles (FTR I don't think it should be split either). He's still telling the same jokes from 1992, why would we give him a new article? --208.38.59.163 (talk) 23:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Hulu, TV Guide and most importantly NBC lists it as the same show. The infobox might be as long as the page, but it's crazyto have two separate pages here. NThomas (talk) 13:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you look on the talk page at The Tonight Show, there seems to be no problem with these two tenures having seperate articles. If we move the article to the previous tenure, it will become too large. -- Cartoon Boy (talk) - 0:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

CartoonBoy: Those comments on The Tonight Show page are from January. Some of the users, including myself, have changed our opinion since then. We had very little information at that time and now the series has actually begun airing. The same series, with NBC considering the Conan era a hiatus, Jay's episode count resuming from where it was May 29th, 2009. Also, original intents were to ONLY create this page if the title was something such as "STARRING Jay Leno" or "Tonight with Jay Leno." Mwhayes1995 (talk) 01:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the merge - it's the same show, resurrected. - Richard Cavell (talk) 06:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Tonight Show with Jay Leno: Merging March 15

Due to the large volume of supporters, I intend to merge the articles one week from today, March 15, 2010. There is no use in having two seperate articles for a continuation. And, yes, although they are two seperate tenures, the episodes are continuing. See The Tonight Showsite. They list tonight, March 8th, as episode 3881. I will merge on March 15. Supporters/Haters? Mwhayes1995 (talk) 01:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have no authority whatsoever to do so. There is no consensus. Gage (talk) 04:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I count eleven in favor five opposed that's not a consensus? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.95.103 (talk) 08:10, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While conversation is clearly ongoing and people have strong opinions on both sides of the issue, it seems to me there is indeed a consensus. Unless I miss something you are incorrect in stating there is no authority to make such a merge. This is not a protected or semi protected article that requires administrator intervention before action. Therefore according to policy talk) seems to me to very much to be acting correctly in stating his intentions and inviting comment, and indeed conducting the merge on the 15th if no further conversation contradicts the current consensus. — Falerin^{<talk>,<contrib>} 16:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would support a merge on March 15, 2010 if no further strong arguments are made against such a merge by that date. Realize, however, Mwhayes, that administrator intervention will be necessary to move the current The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (1992 TV series) (with edit history going back to 2006 intact) back to its original namespace The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. We cannot simply erase the current content of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (a disambig. page right now) and copy the content from the 1992 series page there... we need to retain the article history, so it must be moved appropriately. On March 15, you can request that an administrator delete The Tonight Show with Jay Leno to make way for the move, which you (or whomever else) will then be able to complete without administrator help. In addition, you will need to merge in any appropriate content from the current 2010 TV series article to the newly merged article. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 18:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My intentions are to move the 1992 page back to it's former namesake and add a subsection for the 2010 TV Series. Another option: Tenure reformatting. I took this approach before at Jay's 1992 page. I would simply divide each section into the two separate tenures. Which would you rather see? Also, and please comment on this, would anybody else like to see the lengthy "Recurring Sketches" section be separated into it's own page, such as Conan O'Brien's Sketches?Mwhayes1995 (talk) 21:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC) UPDATE: CIS: I have read your concerns preparing to ask Ckatz to delete. I think you will be happy to see his talk page and my intentions if admin. do not intervene. Also, wouldn't we need to remove The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (2010 TV series) also on Monday? My plan would be to leave the '92 pg. up and delete the original page and '10 page at the same time. We would then move the '92 page. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 02:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My only issue is that if the merge is to happen that all links on the template and The Tonight Show etc., that link to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (2010 TV series) be kept that way meaning they still say The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (2010 TV series), we could use The Tonight Show with Jay Leno#2010 TV series to go to that subsection. -- Cartoon Boy (talk) - 2:00, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

That would work, although most links simply show "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" and link to either this or the 1992 page. We could show simply The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and link it to the 2010 subsection. Yes/no? Mwhayes1995 (talk) 02:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge count on Friday, March 12th: Supporters- 16 Oppositions- 5. This update, though, may change drastically by the set merge date 3 days from now. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 02:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Idea on merge

As I stated, my intentions are to merge Jay Leno's Tonight Show tenures on Monday. I would like to merge them to the page "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno", but if an admin has not blanked that page by Monday, I intend to just simply blank this page (unless arguments state otherwise) and redirect this page to the 1992 page. We could merge the two under the title The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (1992 TV series), update the disamb page to disclude this page, and wait for admin action. Does this sound like a good idea? (Again, this would only be carried out in this manner if the disamb page has not been deleted by Monday. This is better than losing the '92 series edit history.)Mwhayes1995 (talk) 23:10, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question Jay Leno had 16 years on the Tonight show, but this is his 18th year? so is this saying that the Jay Leno show at 10:00 was year 17 and Conan's Tonight Show never took place? or is Conan's Tonight Show year 17 and Jay's 2010 Tonight Show year 18 of the "Tonight Show With ...." The Johnny Carson's Show was called "Tonight Show Staring ..." so is it fair to say that it's the 18th year of "Tonight Show With ...." not the 18th year of "Tonight Show With Jay Leno"? we should keep the two Jay Leno shows split because of one issue: IT IS A NEW CONTRACT THAT JAY LENO HAS WITH NBC TO HOST THIS SHOW, NOT THE OLD ONE THAT ENDED IN 2009. -- sithlord —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.121.25 (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, Jay Leno had 17 years on The Tonight Show. He began in 1992 and ended in 2009 for a total of 17 seasons. March 1st began Season 18 of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The Jay Leno Show and The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien had their own 1 season a piece. One of the things that come to my mind is when you watch the May 29, 2009 episode of The Tonight Show, Jay calls it the "Season Finale" of The Tonight Show. Maybe they knew all along? Oh well, back on track, NBC still considers this season 18. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 21:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the merge extremely with brute force, This is the Second goddamn tenure! It should stay separated! I'm tired of all this merging stuff, if this merge happens, I guarantee that a lot of information like Format,Recurring segments,Ratings,History etc. of the 1992-2009 show will be deleted/removed or overwritten with 2010 show information.

I'm the first and the primary person that pushed very hard to separate these two shows because i saw people just deleting/overwriting historic information about the 1992-2009 show, and they just putting new info in carelessly and supposedly don't care about the shows historic past!.Loserjay10 (talk) 13:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Loserjay10, MY personal intentions are to split each section into tenures. I would also like to create a seperate page for recurring segments, as was done for The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien. I was one of the strongest supporters of this merge, and I created this page. But, we just don't have a good enough reason to keep them seperated. The episode count is resuming. Most of the elements of the show are the same. In the infobox after the merge, we will revert deletions. Things such as "Studio 3 (1992-2009); Studio 11 (2010-present)" would be shown. I have asked for feedback about how to go about this, as far as creating a sub-section or reformatting each individual section into tenures. I have not received any feedback whatsoever, so, without a new consensus by Monday, I will merge at 8pm Monday night seperating each section into tenures. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

how about this we wait until the end of this season (18th) if Jay is still the host next season then we keep them split into the old and new shows if a new host is named then we merge them? --- sithlord —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.145.93 (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That would not make sense because the information is practically the exact same as the 1992 info. Also, as stated previously, it is NOT a new series. It is a CONTINUATION. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 01:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this idea. Redirect this page to the 1992 page until an administrator can delete the original The Tonight Show with Jay Leno article to make way for moving the 1992 page back to its original article. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 02:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the consensus looks clear. The merge will go through tomorrow evening at 8:00 pm ET. Immediately prior to this, I will make sure no major uproar of oppositions has happened. At this time, if The Tonight Show with Jay Leno has been removed, I will move The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (1992 TV series) back to its original namespace. ADMIN.- If this page is deleted before that time, it is no big deal. Article and refs have been copied to my computer for precautions. So, hopefully by tomorrow night at 8:30 all Tonight Show with Jay Leno info will be on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, with this page no longer existing. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 21:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The original page (re: the 1992 start) has now been moved to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno per the above discussions. Merge away... --Ckatz^chat _spy 22:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, I've some thoughts on the merger. Rather than trying to deal with "tenures" and separate history sections, why not just write it as per how the public will perceive it? Simply put, Leno left and the "Jay Leno" version of the series was effectively cancelled. After the O'Brien run, Leno's Tonight Show was revived to resume broadcast. Thus, the history might unfold as "Everything before the cancellation", "Jay leaves" (outlining the O'Brien events directly relating to Leno, as opposed to recapping all aspects of it), and "Leno resumes". (Titles arbitrary, for illustrative purposes only.) Likewise, details about the set, studio, and so on should be treated chronologically instead of as separate sections, just as we would do for any other series that changes settings, cast, and the like. In a nutshell, write it as a single show that ended and then was renewed unexpectedly. --Ckatz^chat _spy 22:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a great idea. When will this page be taken down? Mwhayes1995 (talk) 22:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only part that required an admin was the page move. Once the content is merged, this page can be redirected to the main article. (We wouldn't delete it as that would interfere with access to the contribution history.) --Ckatz^chat _spy 22:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so do we just do #REDIRECT or what? I plan to blank this article at 8:00 ET. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 22:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy Section

Political much? Not to mention incorrect. The article linked to the claim that Roger Ebert said the laughter was dubbed is actually from the Daily Kos and no mention of Ebert is made in the article. I'm not going to bother creating an account to fix it, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.196.57 (talk) 18:38, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Micheal Stinson wrote the article, not roger ebert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.72.136 (talk) 20:43, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (2010) reviews at Metacritic.com --Keith111 (talk) 06:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fallon as guest host?

Somebody posted Jimmy Fallon is scheduled to guest host the April 12, 2010 edition of The Tonight Show. Can somebody add a reliable source? Mwhayes1995 (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I checked all my entertainment sources and Googled the hell out of it. Nothing. I would dismiss it as a hoax, as Jay does not do guest hosts. The only time someone guest-hosted the Tonight Show was under protest from Jay - when he and Katie Couric switched jobs for a day. --Manway (talk) 21:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find any source either, sounds like vandalism to me. I've removed it; it can be readded if a reliable source is found. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 17:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I vaguely remember one of Jay's guests that night making a joke about Fallon "guest-hosting." Betcha that's where this all started. --Manway (talk) 18:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Genuine timetables for the show.....???

http://www.google.com.hk/search?hl=en&safe=strict&q=the+tonight+show+with+Jay+leno+timetable+site%3Awww.nbc.com%2F&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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Titlecard

Recently a user has been changing the current titlecard image to an orange logo that appears to be fan made. He tried reasoning but no luck. Why do I feel like this is a Conan stunt? Anyway what action should be taken? Zapper258 (talk) 07:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ratings

In the last week, The Tonight Show has slipped behind Letterman to finish third place in the timeslot. Also, apparently Leno has also taken a hit this week from the premiere of "Conan" as according to TV By the Numbers, The Tonight Show lost 900,000 viewers - mainly in the 18-49 demographic - to TBS and O'Brien, and with O'Brien taking the lead in ratings the past two nights, The Tonight Show is now in fourth place. I think that deserves inclusion into the article. 70.90.36.205 (talk) 22:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

May 2011 Ratings

If there are any updates to the 2011 ratings (or anything related), please post it here. A number of sources have come in, so if there are any more reliable sources available, please add them, then state any changes to the article here. CHAK 001 (talk) 09:18, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fallon as guest host

Further up this page is a discussion thread from 2010 about whether Fallon ever guest hosted Tonight. Was this ever confirmed? Given the announcement that he's taking over from Leno, it's a piece of information that might be worth adding, if not here than in the inevitable article that will be created when Fallon's Tonight Show debuts. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conan's Demo Ratings

I read, "Notably, these ratings were significantly less in the key 18–49 demographic than Conan O'Brien's had been at the same period during his tenure." This sentence is not specific enough, and Conan's demo after the honeymoon effect wasn't that much higher than Jay's return. The difference was small. If we are going to keep this sentence, then why not include that Conan's ratings during his tenure were substantially lower than Jay's (even before the Jay Leno Show started)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.169.1.46 (talk) 15:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Taped, not Filmed

In the section that begins

"On July 20, 2006, as Colin Farrell was being interviewed by Leno, Farrell's stalker, Dessarae Bradford, evaded security, walked on stage as cameras were rolling, confronted Farrell, and threw her book on Leno's desk...",

three references are made to the show being "filmed." The Tonight Show with Jay Leno was never recorded on movie film; it was recorded on videotape. For the sake of accuracy, I would like to make this minor correction (simply replacing "filmed" with "taped"). Would anyone have any objection to my making this correction?
Richard27182 (talk) 07:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re: past or present tense

The Tonight Show with Jay Leno is..... / The Tonight Show with Jay Leno was.....
It certainly seems to me like making a lot of fuss over something that hardly matters. My personal opinion is that either could be accurately used.
Richard27182 (talk) 06:04, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This subject has already been discussed multiple times, and the policy on this matter has not changed. Davejohnsan (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Davejohnsan. This particular issue is not of great importance to me. But I would like to familiarize myself with the present policy on the matter. Could you provide me with a link to something where I could become familiar with it? (I did look through this talk page, and the only relevant thing I found seemed to indicate that the present tense is preferred.) Thanks.
Richard27182 (talk) 08:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. The policy on this matter is located at WP:TVLEAD. At the bottom of that section, it reads: "References to the show should be in the present tense since shows—even though no longer airing—still exist, including in the lead (e.g. Title is a...)." As far as I can tell, there is no specific exception for any particular format of television shows. In other words, if there is any distinction or exception to be made for reality or non-fictional shows vs. fictional ones, I haven't found one yet. Davejohnsan (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Davejohnsan
I believe I misinterpreted your previous posting. I thought you were defending the use of the past tense in the particular situation in question. That's why I was confused when all the talk page and Manual of Style stuff I read seemed to favor using the present tense. But now I believe I understand; you were arguing in favor of the present tense. (Am I correct?)
If I am correct about that, then I'm now confused about something else: Why hasn't anyone reverted the recent change so the article once again uses the present tense. (I'm considering doing it myself.) I appreciate your comments and suggestions.
Richard27182 (talk) 06:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ADDENDUM: Oops! I should have checked the article first. I see you have already done the revert.
Richard27182 (talk) 07:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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1991 New York Post "plant" article

A number of sources, including this New York Times article, mention a New York Post article from February 11, 1991, "There Goes Johnny", which was later to have been discovered to be a plant to persuade Johnny Carson to retire and to pass the show to Leno. Worth a mention? Mapsax (talk) 00:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reference link #17 error

Reference link #17 returns a 404 File Not Found error. Kerig3 (talk) 10:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]