Talk:The Timeless Children

Continuity on The Master’s line

The continuity that I keep re-adding gets removed because it is “trainspotting”. What I put in can be seen in a different way in “Vivtory of the Daleks” and “The Doctor Falls”, and this is naming just a few.

Please realise that most continuity in Doctor Who is “Trainspotting”.

Panda815 (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

About two or three years ago, there was a discussion on not including things that were just trainspotting. Nothing official came out of it, but it seems that there's an unspoken consensus on it now. We should probably go back through the articles and trim those things out. DonQuixote (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

We definitely need to avoid "oh , this is just a causal reference drop to episode X" even when there's a 3rd party source for it. That this episode canonizes the additional faces from Brain of Morbius is not trainspotting. That the sequence includes all the Master faces is. It's a subtle difference and is a bit more subjective, but step one is the existence of third party sources that are going on about the continuity more than just dropping that fact in place. --Masem (t) 21:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

The notion that the additional faces from The Brain of Morbius were canonized by The Timeless Children has a certain appeal, but is not really logical, despite the cited source. First, tBoM was canon when it was new, decades before tTC. Second, were pre-Hartnell The Doctor's the only possible explanation for the images, pre-Hartnell The Doctor's would have been canon at that time. There is at least one other possible explanation. Third, The Doctor was not surprised by them. That The Doctor could have used faces he did not remember and not have at least a moment of amazement after would seem strange. Fourth, in at least two post-tBoM occasions, The Doctor has made it clear that he or she did not remember pre-Hartnell incarnations. The claim really should be removed. -- Michael Hennebry 2001:48F8:3004:2CE:0:0:0:284 (talk) 04:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

That tTC used images from tBoM does not decide the issue either. The Doctor could have used the same trick on the matrix that he used on Morbius. Admittedly, it does at least make the possibility worthy of mention. -- Michael Hennebry 2001:48F8:3004:2CE:0:0:0:284 (talk) 05:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. Just because it exists elsewhere, does not make it acceptable. I've already removed the trainspotting at "The Doctor Falls". How is it continuity in the first place? What active storyline does it continue and add detail to? None, it does not. If you're looking for a place for tiny details such as this (and what food they are), the Tardis Data Core is the location for such trivia. -- /Alex/₂₁ 22:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

False

Lying is a deliberate distortion of the truth. «The Timeless Children» received not only positive, but also negative reviews. The article is written only about positive reviews. Information about negative criticism is deleted. Why do reputable Wikipedia members silence those who write the truth? Эдвард Первый (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

If you actually read the reception section, it doesn't talk about any positive or negative reviews in particular. So, it seems that your claims are baseless. DonQuixote (talk) 21:32, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Not true. It does talk about the harsh criticism by Cartmel, which is the least would have to be said. And IMHO it should be part of Continuity, that this episode basically tells that the Doctor isn't a timelord after all. Now that's the biggest possible break of continuity, IMHO. 2001:A61:B8E:2A01:758E:5AB5:2BFC:58E7 (talk) 13:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

That article was published on 4 May, so it was true at the time (14 March). DonQuixote (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

This article is yet another propaganda. Expected nothing less. 188.175.76.2 (talk) 14:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

As you wish Эдвард Первый (talk) 22:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)