Talk:The Sixteen Men of Tain

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"Jazz" for this album??

Hello, I am still indecisive on whether Gambale should be labeled with post-bop. Anyways, my main question is whether this album should be labeled as "Jazz, fusion"? I recently have been reading some stuff on how this album was one of the more jazz oriented albums that Holdsworth did. Even you wrote in Holdworth's page "The decade began positively with the deeply jazz-orientated The Sixteen Men of Tain in 2000". So, here are some sources stating that this was a jazz/fusion album:

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=5463

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:K-e7Kc1ygrAJ:www.progarchives.com/album.asp%3Fid%3D5297+the+sixteen+men+of+tain+jazz+oriented&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.duo.uio.no/publ/IMV/2011/111356/AllanxHoldsworthx-xReshapingxHarmony.pdf ------ On the end of page 49 as well as other parts of this very long paper.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mTKynXrZ4yYJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Holdsworth+the+sixteen+men+of+tain+jazz+wiki&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Sprecher (talk) 00:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't write that "deeply jazz-orientated" part, though; someone else did. Besides, seeing as Snardbafulator still hasn't come to any conclusion with his jazz-rock fusion ideas, I think it's best we leave the genre on this article as it is for now. The album isn't that much different from his other ones. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 01:00, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So even considering the sources I have, you think that it still wouldn't be good enough? I peronaly believe this to be one of Holdsworth's more "modern jazz" oriented albums. Just not sure if you agreed or not.Sprecher (talk) 05:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strangely, those sources don't corroborate your reasoning at all. The first one says "jazz rock" and "fusion/progressive rock"; the second says "jazz rock/fusion"; the third is unclear because of the format (I couldn't find anything from such a large file); and the fourth links back to Holdsworth's Wikipedia article! So yeah, I don't think your reasoning for changing the genre on this particular album is good enough, especially considering how it's pretty much the same as most of his releases. Maybe there's a tiny bit more standard jazz in there, but not certainly enough to warrant two genres for the article; unlike None Too Soon, which is indeed a mixture of jazz fusion and normal jazz. Also, here's a definitive source that clearly lumps The Sixteen Men of Tain under jazz fusion only ("jazz: jazz fusion" meaning they consider the latter a subgenre of jazz). For once, I'll gladly take CD Baby's labelling over any others. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I'm fine with leaving it as jazz fusion, although that PDF file was really talking a lot about how "jazz" oriented The Sixteen Men of Tain was. The PDF file is the whole reason why I wanted to label The Sixteen Men of Tain as "Jazz, fusion". It's really chock full of information!! I'm not even too sure if it does qualify as a legitimate source or not. But throughout the paper they mention many times how this album is "jazz". On the bottom of page 49 it talks about it. Again, I'm just not sure if it's a legit source or not. Sprecher (talk) 07:30, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Here's a source that states: "'The Sixteen Men Of Tain', [was] named after the mysterious guardians of the Glenmorangie distillery." Seems like something that would be interesting to note in the article. http://www.fingerprintsweb.net/ah/press/cr0500.html Sprecher (talk) 06:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I had already mentioned it in the article, but it lacked a source. So, thanks for that. I've added it to the refs. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 10:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]