Talk:The Seventh Son

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[copied from 12/4/21 edit summary by Ojorojo]: 2021-04-12T07:34:27‎ Ojorojo talk contribs‎ 4,638 bytes −172‎ added quotes with refs; removed self-published/user-generated links & unsourced recordings with no indication they meet WP:SONGCOVER (not enough text to support 2nd infobox) undothank

disagree let's work it out Tillywilly17 (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Venue Whisky a Go Go, West Hollywood, California or unknown studio[5] this is all rumors but I am reporting all information Rivers had biggest commercial success, should not be ignored Tillywilly17 (talk) 19:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So far, I find Johnny Rivers version the only one to ever make any chart in USA see Cashbox

1965_072 Johnny Rivers SEVENTH SON (Live) 7 2 12 Imperial 66112 Willie Dixon 1965/05/29 1965/07/17 CB 1965_068 7

Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:22, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello: Only sources considered reliable should be used in WP articles (see WP:Verifiability and WP:Identifying Reliable Sources). Several that were removed (but you re-added) include 45cat.com, secondhandsongs.com, and rebeatmag.com. User-generated, blog-type sites are considered unreliable (some are included on WP:NOTRSMUSIC) and have been removed again along with the information they support. Please do not re-add without new reliable sources.

Generally, multiple infoboxes are only used when there is sufficient text for the other versions. I've left it for now, but Eder doesn't actually identify several genres, but instead describes it as a mixture of styles. So, the all-inclusive "Rock" was used. More can be added when reliable sources are found.

I'm not sure stating that Rivers was the only one to reach the Billboard charts is important, but nonetheless needs a source (AFAIK, Cashbox doesn't list Billboard Hot 100 appearances by song title).

—Ojorojo (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing your viewpoints. Regarding Rivers' studio-a-go-go albums, we are on the same page. I even added another source for that. I have spreadsheets and pdfs of BB and Cashbox charts I used for study and analyzing, using just for myself. When I really need to, I can find a source for most legit info or events. I didn't do it here (on purpose) to hear you out first. I have been researching music since I was in high schools, and have a knowledgeable opinion on what is probably or possibly reliable, or unreliable, and even then I am wrong now and then. Just my guess, but there is a lack of reliable JR info because no serious researchers are interested in him. I read one interview where he went on and on about the great things he has done and careers he has helped make. Didn't have time or interest to verify any of it. Oh well. I leave his fate to you. I checked BB's pop, r&b, c&w, ac, rock, bubbling, as well as my Cashbox charts, nothing for Seventh Son except JR. These are my own charts edited over the years to correct mispellings, bad indexing, etc., and I still found nothing. That's just fyi for you. We both know those charts are hardly the definition of great music, they add some background information. I have found some well-researched blogs, and mistake-riddled information on discogs and wikipedia. The moral of the story is if it is really important to you, roll up your sleeves and research it until you are satisfied. Write your results, including what you based it on, and what you didn't. Maybe somebody will find it valuable.-DaveTillywilly17 (talk) 04:53, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately, there are fansites and blogs to keep up interest in deserving musicians who are otherwise ignored by "serious researchers". But "no original research" is a core WP policy. Whitburn's chart books sometimes contain a "Song Titles" section that lists all artists who placed a particular song title on a chart. One of these may be used as a source for JR as having the only charting version. Otherwise, since the article states that Mabon's original didn't reach the chart, but JR's did, readers may already draw that conclusion. Hope this helps. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]