Talk:The Scythe (album)

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Metalcore?

I deleted a line from the entry that said:

"The album was received badly by fans due to the screams and the metalcore type music which made the fans think was the band selling out."

First off, it wasn't written very well. Second, it has no citation, and from my experience, I haven't heard anybody say that the band sold out, nor have many reviews I've seen show this. Unecessary, deleted. Tlonmaster (talk) 21:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

There seems to be a claim that this album is death metal. Firstly, a response to a claim in the edits area:

"If Elvenking says that they are Folk / Death Metal, then they are Folk / Death Metal. I don't see why you can't understand that."

This is an inherently flawed argument. A band can claim to be anything they want. It doesn't make them that. It might be worth noting, perhaps, that Elvenking claim to be in part death metal. But it should be determined whether this album bears those qualities on it's own, regardless of what the band says. This above argument is not remotely good enough to warrant the genre of death metal.

Now, let's take a look at what classifies "death metal". According to the article here, points include:

"Fast, highly distorted and downtuned guitars"

"Fast and dynamic percussion", "blast beats"

"Grunts, snarls and low gurgles"

"Z-grade slasher movie violence"/"Satanism, occultism and even mysticism" in lyrics

"Extremely fast and complex guitar and drumwork"

The guitars are not highly distorted and downtuned, nor are they particularly fast or complex, certainly not by death metal standards. The drums are also not of death metal standards of speed or complexity, I'm not hearing much blast beating, for example. The vocals are 90% clean, usual Elvenking fare. Your usual power/folk metal vocals. Only occasionally are death grunts used. The lyrical themes are not in keeping with the above either, the closest they come to mysticism is perfectly within the realm of power/folk metal, and doesn't mark it out as death.

The simple fact is that this is NOT death metal. I have the promo. I have listened to it several times, written up a review for it, it just isn't death metal. Listen to bands like Cannibal Corpse, Death, Possessed, Deicide, etc, and try to tell me "The Scythe" is the same genre, even half so. It just isn't. Prophaniti 07:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. 74.249.12.222 22:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]