Talk:The School for Good and Evil (film)

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Did you know... that a seven-figure deal was made for Soman Chainani's debut book The School for Good and Evil to make a film adaptation less than two weeks after the book's publication?

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... that the film adaptation of The School for Good and Evil had its rights originally acquired by Universal Pictures in 2013 but Netflix took over in 2020? Source: N'Duka, Amanda (May 28, 2020). "Paul Feig To Helm ‘The School For Good And Evil’ Adaptation For Netflix". Deadline Hollywood. and Fleming Jr, Mike (May 23, 2013). "Universal Makes Seven-Figure Deal For ‘The School For Good And Evil’". Deadline Hollywood.

Moved to mainspace by Pamzeis (talk). Self-nominated at 06:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough end long enough. It is neutral, well sourced and I found no evidence of close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations or plagiarism. The hook's length is fine and it is broadly interesting but I am not sure it is accurate. Unless I am mistaken, the source provided does not say that Netflix took over in 2020, only that the director was signed in 2020. Netflix might have taken over much earlier. In addition, I would have found the fact that a seven figure deal was struck for a debut book, before the book was even published, much more interesting. Fewer than five credits so exempt from QPQ. --Muhandes (talk) 09:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

:*ALT1: ... that a seven-figure deal was made for Soman Chainani's debut book The School for Good and Evil to make a film adaptation just 11 days after the book's publication? Source: Second source above @Muhandes: Per your suggestion, I've rewritten the hook with the fact of the seven-figure deal.

@Pamzeis: That's much better, but where does "11 days" come from?If it's based on the dates in the source, May 14 to May 23 is nine days, and we don't know exactly the date of auction. How about "less than two weeks after"? --Muhandes (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a: ... that a seven-figure deal was made for Soman Chainani's debut book The School for Good and Evil to make a film adaptation less than two weeks after the book's publication? Source: Second source above

@Muhandes: Done. Pamzeis (talk) 00:52, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. --Muhandes (talk) 08:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Filming date

Annanewquay recently added a different filming date to the article, citing Chainani's official website as the source. Chainani's official website states filming will begin on April 8 though BBC (published January 25, 2021) states filming has already begun. Belfast Live (published January 25, 2021) states production is set to begin "immediately" as does The News Letter (published January 25, 2021). I'm not sure when Chainani's official website was last updated but I feel BBC and such are more reliable sources than his website. Any thoughts? Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pamzeis please refrain from editing the filming section again with incorrect information. Soman and Paul have stated multiple times on Twitter, Instagram, EverNeverTV and on Soman's website that they are still in pre-production due to Covid-19 guidelines. Sophia Anne-Caruso and Sofia Wylie are both still in the United States, and Fiona Weir, the casting director is still casting. The movie is in the last few months of pre production, the articles you stated do not show otherwise. In my opinion Soman and Paul the respective author and director are more reliable sources than these articles. Annanewquay (talk) 17:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Annanewquay: The only source I can find that says filming will begin on April 8 is Chainani's official's website. I've had a look around Feig's twitter and Instagram and the only mention of SGE I can find is the casting announcement. Chainani's Twitter has been inactive since 2017 and on his Instagram, he states filming starts soon here (January 14, 2021). Just because Caruso and Wylie are still in the United States does not mean they have not started filming as they could be filming scenes not including them. The fact Weir is still casting does not mean they haven't started filming (see Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film), states Walters and Cleese were cast in November 2000 while filming began in September 2000 and the only casting call I can find is that is obviously SGE specific is this one). I haven't looked at EverNeverTV yet but could you please link a video in which they say they are still in pre-production? The articles I stated do show otherwise. BBC states the film has "gone into production" and BelfastLive and The News Letter state the film will go into production "immediately" which means, according to the dictionary, "without interval of time". A few months is an interval of time in my opinion. I've also removed the filming dates and, if filming hasn't begun, this article should be moved back to draftspace. I am watching so no need to ping me. Pamzeis (talk) 09:26, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Soman and Paul are constantly posting on their Instagram stories that filming has not started yet due to Covid-19. They keep asking people to wear masks so shooting can commence. The EverNeverTV video with Paul as the thumbnail stated filming was not starting until March but then in the postcards video they said it was delayed. The sites you provided, aren't a credible source for this topic, they are all using the same information and filling in the blanks where they lack information. Also Somans twitter is extremely active, and his website is updated regularly. Annanewquay (talk) 10:14, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did a bit of digging and found someone who took a screenshot of Soman's Instagram Story. ^[1] Annanewquay (talk) 13:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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^ https://pumpkinpaperweight.tumblr.com/post/640676221843324928/girl-according-to-soman-filming-for-sge-is-push

RfC about filming dates

As seen above, the filming dates of this film are disputed; which sources should we rely on for filming dates? Chainani's official website, EverNeverTV YouTube videos and Chainani and Feig's Instagram stories or BBC, BelfastLive and The News Letter? Pamzeis (talk) 10:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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BBC, BelfastLive, and The News Letter clear case of deferring to reliable secondary sources. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:26, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
BBC, BelfastLive, and The News Letter per Elliot321. Perhaps the webmaster isn't really on top of things for the official website, and I don't know how reliable a source EverNeverTV is (they probably got their info from the official website as well). Journalists with no stake in the outcome of this project should be taken the most seriously, as they tend to speak directly with someone on the inside. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 05:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
BBC, BelfastLive, and The News Letter per Elliot321 Sea Ane (talk) 20:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I would just like to add as a response to the reply above that EverNeverTV is run by Soman Chainani, the author of the series who is heavily involved in the movie. Also I would like to ask people to read the sources before they answer, as I have included one where Soman explicitly confirms that filming does not start until April^[1] Annanewquay (talk) 17:58, 19 February 2021 (UTC) — user:Annanewquay (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Is that Tumblr official and reliable as a source? I think YouTube channels are done on a case-by-case basis but YouTube in general is not accepted per WP:RS/PS. The citations you discredited as unreliable, on the other hand, do come from sources we are allowed to use on a regular basis, no questions asked. What we need are updates with timestamps, not social media pages with unproven authority and that are subject to change. We're using published articles from reliable sources with dates and times included. That doesn't mean sources considered reliable can't get things wrong from time to time, but we're not saying who's right, we're trying to figure out whose info we report on. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 01:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps, we can say something like, "The BBC reported filming would start on X date." We don't have to say they are right, we just can't include certain info until it comes from certain places, if you get what I mean. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 01:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know social media can't be used as a source! Also I found a new interview from Columbia colleges website for the Arts that contains information about filming ^[2] do you know can it be cited as a source, I believe it's reliable but wanted to check-in instead of making any changes. Annanewquay (talk) 21:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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"Fictional Characters"

At least one of those mentioned by Fishburne did actually exist - El Cid. 2001:56A:FB29:D600:81D:4B2D:59C:8A2F (talk) 04:19, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is this something that appears in the film? Or the article? If the former, please take note of WP:NOTAFORUM. If the latter, can you specify where? I can not find any mention of the word "fictional" or "El Cid". Pamzeis (talk) 02:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://pumpkinpaperweight.tumblr.com/post/640676221843324928/girl-according-to-soman-filming-for-sge-is-push

[2] ttps://pumpkinpaperweight.tumblr.com/post/640676221843324928/girl-according-to-soman-filming-for-sge-is-push

[3] ttps://arts.columbia.edu/news/out-past-future-soman-chainani

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