Talk:The Satan Pit

The Satan Pit Part One and Two?

Have a butcher's at this. [1]

This suggests to me that The Satan Pit, as a title, refers to both episodes together. Anyone else agree? NP Chilla 13:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest that the production team is referring to both episodes as "The Satan Pit", and by the time the episodes air they'll have individual titles. I get the impression that the Series One two-parters were referred to as "Aliens of London", "The Empty Child" and "The Parting of the Ways" during production — at Gallifrey last week, Noel Clarke had to be prompted before remembering the name "World War Three", and tended to refer to the entire Slitheen story as "Aliens of London". —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh. I didn't know that. Thanks. NP Chilla 20:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The Beast

I don't know about anything else, but I think I know what "The Beast" is. Remember "Pyramids of Mars"? With Suteck? Remember he freed "the beast" and The Forth Doctor sealed the beast in a time tunnel? I thing the trapdoor is the time tunnel and the "the beast" in both programs are the same. Sadly, I never saw the episode of "Pyramids of Mars" and cannot find out more. <Darkwarlock999>

On a similar note, I have uploaded this image of "The Beast", but I'm not sure if we should change the image for this episode to this or whether (considering it hasn't yet been revealed if this truly is The Beast yet) we should keep the current one. What do people think? The_B 16:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

See here or here for different pictures showing how big the Beast is. How does he get out of the trapdoor?--Keycard ^(talk) 16:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

its unlikely to be suteck, its not hard to imagine that there would be many aliens that are really nasty and get termed 'the beast' and such, remember it can probably read minds and say things that produce maximum fear. – deven

Chris Evans

It says Chris Evans is going to play the devil, but does it mean Chris Evans (actor) whose quite fit, and american, or Chris Evans (broadcaster) who isn't fit, and used to be married to Billie Piper? horseboy 19:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The broadcaster (Piper's ex) is the one the rumors are about, but it's important to note that that's all they are at this point. The link's been disambiguated now. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Note 2

Coincidentally? While it may not have been in the forefront of their minds, many of the current production team are long-time fans, and I don't think they could have case Sutekh as Satan without some awareness of the metafictional appropriateness. In fact, DWM, while it doesn't mention Woolf, quotes Russell Davies as saying that the starting point of this story was for the Doctor to face an enemy similar to Sutekh. Daibhid C 15:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, yeah, believe me, that speculation has been at the forefront of the OG forums and I'm just as excited about the possibility as anyone else, but we don't know for sure, hence my coy formulation of that sentence. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Humbug, I thought it was Sutekh too. That would've been a better explanation than the one they didn't give. :[ Vitriol 19:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thinking about it, it's quite possible Woolf was only cast after principal photography and CGI work had been done. Morwen - Talk 19:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I disagree, I think the explanation they didn't give was very good. I am now working on a fan theory that Sutekh was deliberately copying the Beast's voice as part of his "Satan" charade 8-)... Daibhid C 21:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I like that one! PaulHammond

"Tonight Matthew, I - Sssutekh the Destroyer, will be appearing as The Drivel..." Ok, a bit harsh, but Sutekh was a strong & developed character & a sci-fi take on Egyptian myth, not just a creepy doodle-faced frontman for a fancy CGI rendered Judaeo-Christian Devil. The Satan Pit had some nice moment of tension, but personally I found both Sutekh & Lance Parkin's devil surrogate Kwundar (in Big Finish's Primeval) FAR more fascinating & thought-provoking than this pro-superstition, Doom-derived take on Old Nick. Still, it was probably better than Tom Baker's abortive proposed "Doctor Who Meets Scratchman" project! Vivamancer 22:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, I win! In the latest DWM, it's noted they only cast Woolf after they'd filmed the episode. So it wasn't originally meant as a "is he? isn't he?" thing : I wonder if they'd have made it more teasing if they'd done that. Morwen - Talk 21:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

meaning of names

Grins at the playing with names Anyone else note how writers have played with the first names of the characetrs - taken from behindthename.com, we have

Mr. Jefferson no first name... juast a title, son of geoffrey [which in turn translates as god-peace or territory-peace]

Zachary Cross Flane [From the Hebrew name זְכַרְיָה (Zekaryah) which meant "YAHWEH remembers".

Ida Scott - Derived from the Germanic element id meaning "work, labour".

Toby Zed - From the Hebrew name טוֹבִיָּה (Toviyyah) which meant "YAHWEH is good".

Danny Bartock - From the Hebrew name דָנִיֵּאל (Daniyyel) meaning "God is my judge".

Scooti Manista - manista: found online: Urban Dictionary: fashionistaFashion is the english word for style. and "ista" derived from the latin word "manista" which means the exhalted one.

• What do you mean "Mr. Jefferson no first name", they kept calling him John, i would think that is his first name--71.247.246.130 21:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

"His name is John Maynard Jefferson. This is said just after he died when the captain reported him deceased.

17:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

also - we go from Zed to Alpha in the list of the dead... Crescent 20:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Unless the writers actually come forth and say that this is what they intended, I wouldn't give this a second thought. What you mention ranges from far-fetched (Jefferson, Ida, Manista) to probably irrelevant (lots of names derive from Hebrew, and Hebrew is rich in names that refer to God). Unlike the 666 references, which are all obvious, this could all be pure coincidence. The fact that the writers could have made the connections a lot stronger if they wanted such references hints at this.

Incidentally, "manista" is not Latin for "exalted one". It's not Latin period. "Ista" is, but it's a simple pronoun. "Manis" could be more to your liking, since it can mean "gods of the lower world" or "underworld", but of course this has no more relevance to the name "Manista" than anything else. False etymologies are easy to come by. 82.92.119.11 21:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

This is accurate, and I know since my surname is Manista; I actually wrote to the writers of Doctor Who to find out where they got Scooti's name, but they never replied. It was interesting that the way they pronounced Manista was the way I do, with the emphasis on the "IS". It isn't Latin at all, although there is a game called Pelota in Spain whose players are called "manistas". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.120.152 (talk) 13:41, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Rose the killer

Is this the first time Rose has killed someone? I can't recall any other occasions. --Billpg 22:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you're right. Daibhid C 22:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Though it's debatable whether she actually killed the Beast. She probably intended to, but the Beast was earlier shown to survive the vacuum of space quite comfortably, and could have survived the black hole (although the latter was sort of intended to kill him quite dead). (Then there was the whole separated body/mind thing going on, but let's ignore that—and whether the Beast's human host was still alive is anyone's guess as well.) 82.92.119.11 22:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

how bout when she killed the nestine? or, oh, i don't know the entire dalek race?--71.247.246.130 04:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Rose killing the Beast is probably non-controversial and non-notable. On the other hand, Rose killing Toby is rather more thought-provoking, as he technically was innocent, making this the first time Rose has killed a non-hostile, as well as the first time Rose has killed another human being. RobbieG 08:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Bit difficult to kill the Beast without killing Toby, the human it had possessed. However, I wondered why she killed him by bursting the glass, and endangering the entire crew, rather than just shooting Toby with the bolt gun - though perhaps the production team decided that having Rose directly shoot Toby with a gun *would* be more controversial than creating a fatal "accident" and conveniently having the ship equipped with a forcefield to save the air for the rest of them... PaulHammond 15:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Probably if Rose had shot Toby the Beast's soul would've just moved into someone else. Not even intelligence can escape the black hole. Vitriol 16:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Apart from the un-show-ability of showing a human shooting a human in the programme (they'd never be allowed), shooting someone doesn't guarantee killing them. Plus, as said, the intelligence could move on. And what force field? They had emergency shutter screens, made of metal, that came down in case of decompression, as has been shown used on other ships and stations when the windows are endangered. Skittle 22:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Note 10

Ida briefly travels in the TARDIS (though not through time), which is uncommon for non-companions.

How uncommon, really? I mean, it obviously doesn't happen frequently (because usually the TARDIS is simply a method of getting to the story, not a part of it), but I don't think it's such a highly unusual situation it's worth commenting on. Off the top of my head I can think of H.G. Wells, Laurence Scarman, the Master, Chang Lee, Margaret Slitheen, Mickey (before he was really a companion) and the Brigadier. There's probably more. (And that's without even getting into the question of whether Sara Kingdom and Dr Grace count...)Daibhid C 22:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

The Doctor also gives the Lt Scott & his soldiers a trip in Earthshock, along with Professor Kyle; the Cybermen themselves hitch a lift too. Sgt Benton & Dr Tyler also get a TARDIS outing in The Three Doctors; The Anti-man Sorenson in Planet of Evil. Vivamancer 01:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Duggan also get a lift in City of Death? --86.27.62.158 21:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

correct me if i'm wrong, but the planet had already broken up by the time he got to his TARDIS, doesn't that mean he had to briefly foward in time to reach the rocket in order for the timing to work out? come to think of it, in order to be able to move around inside of the event horizon so effortlessly it would have to be canceling the time dilation effect somehow, so again, time travel--71.247.246.130 02:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Surviving the vacuum being a non-factor - its not yet proven that entering a black hole would result in either a) the destruction of a ship, or b) the death of any entity able to survive the vacuum that entered the black hole. The Beast may simply have emerged on the other side of the black hole despite the fact that the purpose of it was to kill him. Do not forget that the science of the unknown race who built the BEast's prison might have been flawed.

Not as flawed as your science I would hope, you should probably check out: Black Hole--205.188.116.202 23:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

(Former) Note 15

The 'bolt gun' weilded by the captain, and later fired by Rose, is similar in appearance to the Bolt Gun, specifically the Bolt Pistol, used by the Space Marines of Warhammer 40,000 (close to the year 43,000 the episode is set in).

Yeah... a bit tenuous I think. The bolt pistols/guns in both cases look an awful lot like a real-world bolt gun, which is probably where the image comes from. Also, audio commentary say 43rd Century, not 43rd millenium. The Warhammer figurines seem to share an industrial/gritty design theme, somewhat like this episode, but that is hardly unique. That and I can really not see Doctor Who designers referencing Warhammer deliberately, and coincidences don't really merit inclusion.81.77.11.2 23:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I generally think that, no, it was not intended to be a similar sort of weapon as the bolt pistols used by Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000. The device known as a "bolt gun" appears more to be a tool, the purose of which is similar to a hammer and a nail or a "nail-gun", possibly designed to help bolt metal plates together in the event of any damage to the station. The fact that it is employed as a weapon in the episode is no less credible than using a power-drill to inflice death/pain/general discomfort upon another person and/or organic being. James Random 13:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

How's the TARDIS get there?

Haven't added this as a note, but it sort of jumped out at me as a possible goof. So, the Doctor's legging it at the end of the episode, and stumbles across the TARDIS. The Doctor was still in the pit at the time, but how could the TARDIS have fallen into the pit, since the seal didn't open until the Doctor and Ida investigated it, after the TARDIS fell into the chasm? - Chris McFeely 23:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

By science? Vitriol 23:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the writers did it, yes, you heard me.. the writers--71.247.246.130 02:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Gravity! --70.22.3.233 04:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

A wizard did it. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 09:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Well the planet was being affected by the black hole's gravity, so tidal forces may have opened up cracks in the crust the TARDIS could fall through :) 84.68.216.98 11:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

My working theory is that the writers themselves were being affected by the black hole's gravity--71.247.246.130 20:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not a goof, it's just a stunningly obvious "co-incidence", that was clearly going to happen at some stage as soon as we saw the TARDIS disappear "irretrievably" near the beginning of episode one.

The TARDIS has fallen down lift-shafts and off mountains before - cf Peladon and the Mark of the Rani. PaulHammond 15:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

As the TARDIS is "telepathically" linked to the Doctor and Rose (allowing them to translate on sight/hearing etc), it just homed in on the Doctor once it located him in the vicinity. Jackiespeel 21:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Or the other way around, albeit subconsciously James Random 10:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

what i think happened was that the tardis must have landed somewhere on the planet, then when the doctor was down in the pit, once he brokes those lamps imprisoning the beast then the planet began moving towards the black hole, as it was moving in such an unstable manner, things on the planet must have moved around a bit and so the tardis must have just been pulled inside the pit. Even though thats what might have happened, that still wouldnt explain how they found the tardis but not the rest of the ship that fell in to the planet in the first place (you know the part of the ship the tardis was in).

Also very possible is that the TARDIS H.A.D.S. activated and it simply moved itself down there waiting for the Doctor to find it. Let's not forget the TARDIS exists across all time and space and would surely know exactly where to turn up to save the Doctor. Wtbe7560 (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

The bright green Ood...

Walked loudly into the brave open door while courageously traversing the ominous void of the long mysterious corridor, loudly approaching the blatent overuse of adjectives in plot summaries--71.247.246.130 02:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

hmmm...

Ok, so from part I, we've established that the planet itself is roughly circular, with a radius of 10 miles, and a diameter of 20 miles. We've also established that the shaft goes right to the center of the planet, right to the power source, 10 miles down, 10 miles of cable.. yet somehow the pit is over 10 miles deep, from the center of the planet.. that means, from the base to the pit has to be over 20 miles. A nice trick for a 20 mile wide planet, the pit is deeper than the planet is wide.... hmmm--71.247.246.130 05:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean the planet is bigger on the inside than the outside? Now where have I heard that before... :-) --DudeGalea 06:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

No. If you looked at their diagram of their drill-shaft, you saw that the 10-mile track wasn't going to the centre of the planet. It was about, say, 4 miles away.--Keycard ^(talk) 06:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• • It's more likely to have been a planetoid that has been mistkanely named, possibly a large asteroid or once a moon in a planetary system. Its happenstance to be there must be a direct result of the gravitational pull of the black hole. The fact that it once had a civilisation is not generally a factor since settling on a planetoid/astroid/moon is a common practice in the realm of science fiction.

In space there is no pressure...

...meaning that Scooti, Toby, and the crew of that rocket should all have exploded, air or no air, right? RobbieG 09:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, although they might have swollen, they wouldn't have exploded; the difference between the pressure in the interior of the ship and the pressure of space is only one atmosphere, while the human body can withstand a pressure change of up to 8 atmospheres. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 09:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that's okay then. Thanks! RobbieG 13:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

They're not in space anyway, they're flying through the accretion disk of a small/medium sized blackhole, plenty of gas and dust flying around at relativistic velocities. The screen on the rocket was reading external preasure, but no units given, so I don't have the slightest notion of how much 66.5 [no units] is supposed to be, but it could easily be quite a bit, if for instance it was reading atm the preasure should probably have crushed them, of course if it was reading 66.5 mm of Hg, it would be near vacuum or around .0875 atm. Of course it's the future, for all I know they measure pressure in Oods feet per cubic meter, or whatever--71.247.246.130 21:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to even attempt to work out the numbers, but the ship has more air than just that in the cabin (there's the hold as well), and it would all have to blow itself out before the pressure dropped to zero. Bit like the end of Aliens. David 20:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, explosion is a myth (e.g. Outland was wrong), and people can actually survive in vacuum for brief periods. There should have been a more obvious wind, though, and arguably they couldn't hear Zachary. Ida could have had brain damage from extended hypoxia, though. see--Dhartung | Talk 15:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Comparison between Doom 3 Cyberdemen and the Beast

Compare the image of the beast to this. There is more than a vague resemelance between the beast and the Doom 3 Cyberdemon (Ignoring the cybernetic enhancements on the latter, of course). -- TheDarkArchon 23:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I added a note that the beast was very similar in appearance to Eddie, the Iron Maiden mascot, especially from the cover of their third album named - you guessed it - The Number Of The Beast (here's a pic - [2]). This was unilaterally removed, suggesting either that no-one agrees with me (I can't see that - the resemblance is striking), or that it was judged irrelevant, maybe because every devil like superbeing looks much like any other?--82.3.251.15 16:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Both of these look like coincidences; many characters based on Satan and demons share similiar design motifs. As far as I'm concerned, unless someone significant has made the comparison, and/or stated that it was intentional, this shouldn't be noted.--SB | T 16:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes I tend to agree, hence my comment above - everyone will probably see some similarity to a Satan-like character they are familiar with (in my case, Eddie). Since the providence for the beast's design was explained in Confidential, there's no need to expand on it. Cheers Sean :-) --82.12.227.234 20:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the beast looks like Eddie at all: who is more of a zombie-like character.

Doom thing is interesting: we got more and different Doom sound effects in this episode (i think), alongside a monster which is a spitting image for the very tall devil like things in Doom. However, unless we can get a published source for this we shouldn't note it. Morwen - Talk 01:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• • It might not be related but the sound the subtitles call "(engines whirring down)" (after the lines

"thats what the doctor whould have done" and "some victory") sounds a hellof a lot like the door closeing sound from doom 1 74.226.227.35 21:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

There were many different references to DooM in this episode, there's no denying it. Its subject matter and the big devil/cyberdemon lookalike were just too irresistable to not add sound references to. The elevator/dor opening sounds and some sounds from the Imps were added in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.16.253 (talk) 06:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

But it said I'm gonna die in battle. "Then it lied".

This is not generally true, the beast may not have been lying about the fact that Rose is Going to die in battle. Nothing was suggested that the Beast would be Rose's Grim Reaper, but it is known that it possessed some insight into future events....

The Beast said that, referring to Rose, "the valiant child who will die in battle so very soon.. You will die and I will live". Given that the Beast then (most probably; I'm assuming the black hole It) died, surely we can forget the Beast's predictions? If the Beast did have insight into future events, surely It could have changed things?

MrKWatkins 00:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it could have changed things, but perhaps it simply didn't desire to, or did not think that it was part of his design to change things. However you can't deny the fact that Rose is gonna die in the last episode, so the Beasts prediction, whether he meant the future or not, was correct James Random 10:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Fact? Well, actually I'll have you know that I can deny it, so just watch me punk! Please don't bite my head off - I'm joking ;) Seriously, though, we don't know that Rose will die; it's speculation. There are other ways of writing her out. I personally think you are right, but all the same, I don't want Rose (or Jackie) to die because

• I like her, she's a decent character and we've got to know her.
• That would be SO predictable.
• The best thing about the 10th Doctor is his charismatic, light-hearted nature. I don't want another moody, guilt-ridden Doctor!

RobbieG 18:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, thank goodness for that. I won't say that I told you so... RobbieG 15:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

...and the verdict is...

{{spoiler}} ...it lied--71.247.107.146 15:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Nope, it told the truth. Officially, she did die. The Doctor explains it at the end of Doomsday -- MisterHand 15:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, come on. What is this if not speculation? I could argue equally (in fact it didn't occur to me that the situation could be otherwise!) that there's no evidence that the Beast is able to see the future. In fact, I think it can just read minds and made up that stuff about Rose dying to invoke feelings of despair in the Doctor. RobbieG 21:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The verdict's still open, anyway. Rose didn't die in battle yet, but the prediction can't be conclusively ruled out until she dies of something else. --Paul A 02:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Tardis escaping the Black Hole

The article says that the TARDIS either nullfies or is stronger than the gravitational pull. Could it be that the TARDIS is simple not affected in any way by gravity, owing to it being a 4 Dimensional Machine? Is it possible that it just travelled through time whilst it was pulling the ship away? Just some theories.

Who's that girl?

Does anyone know anything about the female crewmember who gets killed by the Ood at the start of this episode? Like the guy who was standing next to Danny at the end of The Impossible Planet, she seems to only be there to die. I don't remember seeing either of them after the decompression alert when Jefferson announced that "we're all here" to Zach in the control room. Were they supposed to appear in the background but got cut? The Impossible Planet has to be the tightest-packed episode so far, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few things didn't make the cut.

They should have been wearing red shirts ;) David 19:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Dungeons & Dragons

Does anyone else see (possibly coincidental) similarities between both The Impossible Plannet & The Satan Pit and the old Dungeons & Dragons module H2 Mines of the Bloodstone? Can anyone speculate on the likelyhood of this being a purpusful homage on the part of the writers? Azezel 23:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems unlikely to me, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. However, we shouldn't mention it in the article unless we have a confirmation from the writer, or at least a comparison in a reliable source such as a newspaper review of the episode. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

That's why I did not alter the article yet. I tried to email the programme staff via the BBC website, but they seem to be having tech problems. I will try again in a few days. Azezel 14:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

An e-mail from the guys that run the site isn't really a good enough source, though, since they're not the writer of the story; and I doubt they'll give you anything that confirms this one way or another. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Black Holes and Times Lords II

Speaking about the being imprisoned "before the creation of this universe" comment:

He actually says that he is from "before time." THAT is what the Doctor says is impossible. He repeats several times, "Before time? What does that mean?" Now, think: the Doctor says his people created black holes. If his people have no experience with being "before time" as his reaction indicates, how could the Disciples of Light imprison the being around a black hole, seeing as they hadn't been invented yet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShadowWatch (talk • contribs) 01:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

The Doctor is probbably referring to the Eye of Harmony when he says his people invented black holes.~Wingzero890

Doom comparison etc

Are we going to list all the games/films/programmes/books/Bible passages/religious texts/legends/myths/short stories/songs where people become possessed by the devil? OK, plot may seem similar, but how many possible devil-possesses-you plots can there be? All the devices have been used before. The devil always inhabits the underworld (read middle of planet), tries to posess people, gives them supernatural abilities, tries to take over more, gets cast back into hell.... The reason these episodes were so scary is that they captured all the stories, fears and beliefs people have had for thousands of years. The writers/creators didn't need to look to Doom (etc) for inspiration! Gwinva 07:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

How exactly did it know?

How exactly did the beast know that Ida was running away from her father, the Doctor was the last of his race, The officer could not bare the thoughts of his wife etc etc... Its never explained, well atleast i dont think it is, 31 May 2007

Telepathy. In a universe where a piece of paper can be psychic, I see nothing outlandish with the devil himself being able to read minds. --Infophile ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 13:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Guardians

I wonder if this is the race the Guardians are from... The beast if it wasn't lying, seems to do what the Black Guardian does, influence minds to tasks.

76.66.195.159 (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

The return of satan?

Since a few episodes i've been thinking, has anyone else noticed the over use of the number 6? Examples are the season 2 finale where the void is named hell and the doctor tell rose to set the settings to 6. The planet of the ood where the containers kinda look like fused 6's, the episode midnight where it takes 6 seconds for the shielding to fade, and the kid saying 666. Might be a coincidence and i might have some facts/names wrong but i keep noticing the number 6 throughout the series and think the "intelligence" might come back since they use stuff like that alot E.G. bad wolf, the bee's, disappearing planets. -Ixillius —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.208.101.171 (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The Colbert Report cameo

Is it worth noting that Satan was featured on The Colbert Report last Monday?--DrWho42 (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

It's this part at 2:52-3:03 on the September 20, 2010 episode.--DrWho42 (talk) 17:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

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