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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 17:19, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Utterly brilliant album, covered "Moonage Daydream", "Starman" and "Hang On To Yourself" in various bands and jam sessions over the years. I just read through the article (as I was listening to my original RCA vinyl copy for the first time in a while), and thought "this should be a GA". Then I noticed it was up for review. So this shouldn't take too long.

I tend to copyedit as I go and ask questions for things I'm not sure about.

  • Why is "rock star" in the lead piped to Celebrity?
  • The citation "Timothy White's Rock Stars: Hearing Pictures: David Bowie's Sound + Vision" needs more information, specifically time in the interview where the information cited is mentioned. It might be easier to find an alternative book source and use that instead.
Coincidentally, I'm the one who uploaded this info in the first place. I can go back and get a time stamp for the citation. However it appears that the citation and the information it conveyed have been removed from the article (not sure why - maybe the editor didn't think they could get the info so cut it out)? So let me know if it's needed/wanted and I can get it. 87Fan (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doesn't Arnold Corns come into the picture around the time of the early Ziggy sessions?
  • Bowie also intended "All the Young Dudes",[9] "Rebel Rebel" and "Rock 'n' Roll with Me" to be on a Ziggy Stardust musical" - do you mean "part of a Ziggy Stardust musical?"
  • Do we know why Bowie decided to cover "It Ain't Easy"?
  • As well as Vince Taylor, didn't Mark Bolan influence the Ziggy character? He became a chart success just before Bowie, but had been performing for years before that on the same London touring circuit.
  • For the album, Mick Ronson used an electric guitar plugged to a 100-watt Marshall amplifier and a wah-wah pedal; - a Gibson Les Paul, surely?
  • "Bowie's vocals are double tracked, which gives an effect of two people singing and suggests a band performance" - although this is sourced, the most common reason for double tracking is to strengthen a vocal performance, as extensively used by everyone from The Beatles downwards (and indeed, gave rise to Automatic Double Tracking - can you check this?
  • Is it worth mentioning what songs on the album were played on the tour? I think most were, but I don't think "It Ain't Easy" was.
  • Why is Rick Wakeman credited on the 1999 reissue but not the original album? I know by the time the album was being recorded he was off and away touring with Yes, so might not have had time to make the sessions.

Not too many issues I can see stopping this meeting the GA criteria, so I'll put this on hold now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:49, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies:, @Cullen328: - the nominator for this one seems to have disappeared, any chance you could resolve the issues? I could probably do it myself, but as reviewer there's probably some conflict of interest clause against that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Koossepa: Any chance you can resolve the remaining issues here? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:41, 14 November 2017 (UTC) @Ritchie333: I'd love to work on this, but I'm especially busy in my "day job" at the moment. I'll check back in occasionally when I can. Koossepa (talk) 14:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)Koossepa[reply]

Comments by an utterly devoted Drmies

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  • Rock star: for no good reason.
  • Timothy White: I can't answer that, but a better source would be nice. That Background section isn't great, and one wonders what any of it matters. The last sentence seems to have no connection to the previous.
  • Arnold Corns: if you say so--this is news to me. Yes, those "versions" are mentioned in the tracklist of the 2002 EMI/Virgin version, so it better be mentioned, probably in the Background section. But I don't have the books. Drmies (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As the nominator's disappeared, I think I'll have to park this review for the time being - the outstanding issues require access to good sources I don't have right now. Hey ho. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:05, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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