Talk:The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (film)

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Wayne, Mike; O'Neill, Deirdre (2011). "Form, Politics and Culture: A Case Study of The Take, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised and Listen to Venezuela". In Kapur, Jyotsna; Wagner, Keith B (eds.). Neoliberalism and Global Cinema: Capital, Culture, and Marxist Critique. Routledge Advances in Film Studies. Routledge. ISBN 978-0-415-88905-6.

Found a possible source to use. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I may be wrong. This page's "Contents" tab only has a chapter mentioning Listen to Venezuela. I found the above source through WorldCat.org, so it's possible it was outdated. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think you might be right; the chapter in question (a reproduction of an article from Film International) only namechecks Revolution once. It may be that the editors decided not to include whatever it was going to be, or a simple mistake, but I'll try to look further. Steve ^T • C 22:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

Congrats to the editors who got this worked up to FA (and AOTD) status. I was living in Venezuela during the coup and, long ago, contributed to some of the early articles dealing with it -- including this one. Nice to see where this ended up. Great work. 98.162.244.83 (talk) 01:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FASCIST PROPAGANDA!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.210.220.126 (talk) 15:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

True, it's a shame Wikipedia's bias pushing this kind of propaganda of Hugo Chavez and his totalitarian regimen in their first page. Congratulations to those editors responsible, they are making major advances to make Wikipedia another feud for the left-wing sectarianism. 81.60.184.222 (talk) 22:34, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. If you took the time to read the article, you'll find—I hope—that it presents only solidly-cited information about this film's production, without offering support to Chavez; indeed, large parts of the article feature criticism of the filmmakers (while at the same time quite rightly presenting their rebuttals to the charges levelled against them). Please don't take the appearance of an article about a subject as an endorsement of it; by that measure, would you take Adolf Hitler's appearance on the main page as an endorsement of Nazism? Yes, I went there. Steve ^T • C 22:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Film title

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's a long article!) but I don't see any links to the poem and 1970 recording by Gil Scott-Heron - article here - from which the film took its title. This surely needs to be added. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I thought so too. But remembering the Last Poets from its original release, having observed it grow into a trivialized meme in bourgeois culture, ... . Also don't see the point of showing the Film Forum marquee with nothing on it related to this. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 08:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The Film Forum image is ... well, it's partially decorative, and doesn't add much of note to the article content. However, what it does do is break up the giant wall o' text that the article could easily become (which often puts off readers' getting to the end of large articles like this one), so I'm content to let it stay. In other news, I added a very brief note about the origins of the name. All the best, Steve ^T • C 09:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledgement - Gil Scott Herron "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised".1970 ArnoldRLee (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Already done - see above. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There should be some acknowledgement, even if only in a hatnote, that the title is directly taken from a popular protest song, and that song should be linked. There is no substance in the argument that the song is "a trivialized meme in bourgeois culture" such that the film title be presented as entirely original when it is not. -67.161.54.63 (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. In case you missed it, I added a note about the origins of the film's name. However, to comment on its significance without a citation to a reliable secondary source would be considered original research, which the best articles strive to eliminate. If you can find such a source that comments more directly on this, I'm sure it'd be considered. All the best, Steve ^T • C 19:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that on the one hand you are asking for a source, while on the other you yourself added a footnote with such a source. If the source is good enough for a footnote it should be good enough for a hatnote. Placing too high a bar for entry seems sort of like claiming that the title of the film, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, does not owe its origin to the song The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, when the connection is plain. -67.161.54.63 (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, he is asking for a citation that the film was named after or inspired by the name of the poem. We don't seem to have that. It appears that what you want is a dab link to other uses of the term; I have added that correctly. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And I disagree even with the hatnote. The advice of WP:NAMB is that for an article such as this, a hatnote is unsuitable, because the article title is already disambiguated. But it's a small issue, and if I'm honest I don't especially care one way or the other. :-) Steve ^T • C 22:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see-- I wasn't aware of NAMB. In that case, I agree we don't need it, but then having it doesn't seem to do much harm either. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On this edit, I agree, those are unuseful overlinking, and I would have removed it myself, but don't want to pass 3RR. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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