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July 15, 2006 – October 14, 2010, peer review ----IsaacAA (talk) 14:00, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article needs comprehensive refactoring and cleanup. Here's a checklist, hopefully I'll get to this soon.

  • slim the introduction
  • retain consistency when referring to groups and individuals (MTV Networks/Nickelodeon)
  • minimize the shifting viewpoints (he-said/she-said)
  • merge several one-sentence/short paragraphs into a single paragraph
  • general cleanup of unsourced statements and lists

----IsaacAA (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

These sections have been reorganized: Characters, Conception, Spümcø (1991–1992), Games Animation (1993–1996), Episodes, Censorship, Adult Party Cartoon (2003–2004), Production system, Animation style, Music, Writers, and Directors. Influence has been added. These sections have been merged into others: Reception, Editing, Similar series, Merchandising. ----IsaacAA (talk) 19:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Stimpy's Invention

I found:

I wonder what magazine they are from WhisperToMe (talk) 02:17, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The first is from Cinefantastique, the second is from Film Threat. ----IsaacAA (talk) 20:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Parody

Parody, unlike satire, seems to boil down to "humorous imitation". As far as I know, parody involves ridicule or exaggeration. What I'm getting at is, some of the "parodies" in the parody section don't ridicule or exaggerate facets of The Ren & Stimpy Show, but they clearly do imitate them. Is there a way to settle what is and isn't a parody? ----IsaacAA (talk) 15:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Original research and lists

The following lists cite no sources, and possibly comprise original research. While they're very informative, they are possibly too trivial for inclusion in an encyclopedic article. ----IsaacAA (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy

Writers

Directors

Edits to the Paramount three-disc DVD box set

  • The original opening and ending to the uncut pilot "Big House Blues" shown on Nickelodian missing.
  • The scene where Stimpy is writing his poem has the edge of his hand gripping the pencil disappearing in "Stimpy's Big Day".
  • A fade out to the scene where a man runs off with the money in "Robin Hoek".
  • A noticeable edit when Ren tastes Stimpy's medicine, where Ren's eyes and tongue are completely scrambled up, along with a fade out in "Nurse Stimpy".
  • A fade out after Stimpy says "I'll turn off the gravity; it'll help you relax" in "Space Madness".
  • A fade out after Ren says "Five bucks!" and rubs his hands together in "The Boy who Cried Rat".
  • A small piece of animation lost as Ren and Stimpy walk up to the cave due to a fade out, along with an edit to the yak chase scene in "Untamed World".
  • A fade out after Ren says "There it is! Only five seconds to spare!" when Ren and Stimpy are chasing the bus at the end of "Black Hole".
  • Many freeze frames, strange remastering and fade outs, an edit causing a different version of Stimpy's freshly ironed underwear when he's putting it on, and Ren's hand becoming blurred out when he's frantically shaking around saying “You filthy swine! I will kill you!” in "Stimpy's Invention".
  • A fade out after Ren hugs Stimpy and he deflates, Ren and Stimpy saying goodnight to each other, Stimpy spitting into a jar and flossing, and some of Ren grinding his teeth in "Ren's Toothache".
  • The entire bloody head fairy scene in "Haunted House".
  • A fade out after Stimpy is pulled off screen after saying "Gee Ren, you're such a pal - always letting me go first" in "Mad Dog Hoek".
  • Edits causing alot of the lines to dissapear when something moves quickly, a close-up of Ren's face being rubbed against stubble and Grandpa whistling in the tub in "Big Baby Scam".
  • Fade outs after George pulls Ren and Stimpy off screen before the prejudging, along with George saying "This is the big time. Make me proud" in "Dog Show".
  • A fade out when Ewalt says "Y'all bring the kids next time, y'hear?" before the last shot of the cartoon and a few seconds missing that shows the two cowboys laying the ropes over each other's necks before the hanging song in "Out West".
  • Edits to the animation of the cut Nickelodian broadcast of "Big House Blues" when Ren says "Yes, food shelter!".
  • A whirring noise, video tape interference at the top of the screen when Ren is getting ready to answer letters, a color blend and electronic spead during the title sequence in "Stimpy's fan club".
  • A fade out causing a bit of animation gone after the Kodiak Yarmoset attack Ren and Stimpy and they're struck by lightening in "The Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen".
  • A fade out after Ren sets himself on fire and the old naked man says “Hang on there young feller, I'll save ya!” in "The Great Outdoors".
  • A fade out when Anthony's dad walks out of the frame to confront Ren and Stimpy in the den in "A Visit to Anthony".
  • Stimpy coughing up hairballs and Stimpy licking most of the hair off his body in "The Cat that Laid the Golden Hairball".
  • Stimpy looking up at the ceiling with big eyes, depicted by a series of painted backgrounds and Ren giving a Christmas present to Stimpy's picture in "Son of Stimpy". The soundtrack on the DVD was also very muffled.
  • A fade out after George Liquor shouts “What did I tell you about sitting on MY couch!” in "Man's Best Friend".

Edits to Season 3 and a Half-ish

  • Ren singing a lullabye to Egg Yolkyo in "Egg Yolkyo"

Edits to Season 5 and Some More of 4

  • Ren refusing to drink Stimpy's fat, only to be forced to drink it, in "Who's Stupid Now?"
  • Ren and Stimpy cleaning a hotel room, but destroy their work after slamming the door hard and a brief few seconds of Ren waiting at the pool area of the hotel, in "Bellhops".

Cancelation

I bet Ren and Stimpy wouldn't have been cancelled if Nickelodeon hadn't fired Kricfaluski.

with Spumco, the show has some edge


The WikiSpector (talk) 21:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

The talk page is for discussing how to improve the article. I would suggest taking your soapbox to Spumboard, but the site appears to be non-functioning at the moment.----IsaacAA (talk) 06:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Broadcast history section

I have removed the broadcast history section before (see this old revision) because it is not encyclopedic. A verifiable reference that the show was broadcast all around the world in upward of 10 or 50 or 100 channels is sufficient, we shouldn't make this article into TV Guide. -IsaacAA (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Number of episodes

Officially, The Ren & Stimpy Show has 52 episodes. There is a reference for this number in the article. Man's Best Friend is not officially part of the original series. Big House Blues is not officially a standalone episode. I won't bother reverting the episode count to 52 whenever it's changed to 53, but I think it's important to make some sort of comment on the number of episodes, which can be anywhere from 51 to 54 depending on the placement of Man's Best Friend, Sammy and Me / The Last Temptation, and Big House Blues. -IsaacAA (talk) 19:46, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

MTV

Citations for Ren & Stimpy airing on MTV:

J. Evan Reiff and Heidi S. Siegel (January 04, 1993). "Its New Creator Promises To Take 'Ren & Stimpy' Out Of The Doghouse". Philadephia Inquirer. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
TVTastic, Rugrats timeline, Ren & Stimpy FAQ. - IsaacAA (talk) 07:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Dates, timeline, etc

Please don't use the dates from List of The Ren & Stimpy Show episodes, some of them are plain incorrect.

  • Kricfalusi's firing, week of Friday, 25th of September, 1992
    • John Staton (November 12, 1992). "New 'Ren & Stimpy' director ready to take control". The Daily Tarheel, Omnibus. Retrieved 2009-12-27. Camp who took over the show about two months ago [September 1992] after creator John Kricfalusi was fired
    • Donna Gable (September 25, 1992), "'Ren & Stimpy' go on without their creator", USA Today, The future of Nickelodeon's cult cartoon was in doubt this week [week of Friday, September 25, 1992] when creator/producer John Kricfalusi (and Ren's voice) was ousted for failing to meet deadlines. {{citation}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)
  • Shift from Spumco to Games Animation - no clear date, possibly the airing of "Son of Stimpy" in January 1993.
    • Cinefantastique Vol 24 #1 June 1993. This is nebulous because there are many episodes that began production with Spumco and got finished by Games. There is no cutoff point unless you generalize seasons one and two as Spumco and the following seasons as Games. Whatever cutoff point chosen, it's clear that "Spumco episodes" continued airing into 1993, as "Son of Stimpy" was completed by Spumco and aired in January 1993.
  • Final episode - no clear date, either "A Scooter for Yaksmas", which aired around Christmas 1995 or in any case no later than 1996-01-12), or "Sammy and Me / Last Temptation of Ren", which aired sometime in 1996 on MTV.

Considering the former sources, a reasonable timeline would be "Spumco 1991-1993, Games Animation 1993-1996." All said, this is too trivial to be edit-warred over. -IsaacAA (talk) 22:26, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Genre

There's been a slow-moving edit war about the genre of the show in the infobox. An unregistered contributor replaces the genre several times before settling on a malformed wiki link to one genre or another. Since this dispute/vandalism is extremely trivial, I don't see a point in locking the page for unregistered contributors, but it would be nice if other contributors could come to an agreement on the show's genre. The official page calls it an "absurd slapstick buddy comedy", and think it's a good-enough description. The toilet humor aspects should be noted too; plenty of references for that in the article. -IsaacAA (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely toilet humor (gross-out, off-color, rude), surreal humour (nonsensical, unnerving, strange), slapstick (violent, wacky). yonnie (talk) 19:28, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
This is simply your opinion, which is meaningless. Reliable sources have to be found that support these assertions. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 01:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Peer review

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I've listed this article for peer review of the quality of its references. Some, added by myself, reference Usenet groups for lack of better documentation such as TV guides; others seem arbitrary and insubstantial, like Screen Junkies dot com, but removing them myself might seem like edit-warring and article ownership. Removing bad references or replacing them with better ones is much appreciated.

Thanks, IsaacAA (talk) 19:17, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Comments by Sjones23

This article looks pretty good, but here are some possible suggestions:

  • A voice actors section may need to be created in the Production section with the character voice info moved from the characters section.
  • Lead may need to be expanded to three or four paragraphs per WP:LEAD.
  • In the production section, is it possible to detail animation production companies that were involved in the production and their involvement?
  • All redundancies in the article must be removed.
  • Writers for the series may need to be added to the production section with the proper sources.
  • A reception section needs to be added and the Legacy section merged into that section.
  • The controversy section needs to be moved down into the reception section as well.
  • Can we add a possible themes section and settings section to the article if possible?

Hope these comments are helpful. Thanks, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, very helpful. More comments are welcome. –IsaacAA (talk) 12:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Since you asked specificlaly about references, here are some comments on them and other suggestions for improvement.

  • A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow. There are many FAs on animated television shows at Category:FA-Class Animation articles. Both Animaniacs and The Simpsons are FAs, though these are also older FAs and standrads have gotten even tighter since they were promoted.
  • References need to be to reliable sources (see WP:RS). I am not an expert on animation refs, but things like http://www.lysator.liu.se/~marcus/ren_stimpy/episode.html look like fan pages and are not likely to be reliable sources.
  • The references that are present need to be formatted consistently and to present all necessary information - some internet refs are just URLs now (see current ref 70) but internet refs need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. {{cite web}} and other cite templates may be helpful. See WP:CITE and WP:V
  • Article needs more references, for example the COmic books, Video Games, and Parodies sections all need more refs.
  • My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref.
  • The lead should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article. My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way. There are many sections listed in the Table of Contents which are not even mentioned in the lead. Please see WP:LEAD
  • Prose is very choppy with lots of short (one or two sentence) paragraphs - these should be combined with others or perhaps expanded to improved the flow.
  • One dead external link here
  • In general I would ask on the talk page for the Animation WikiProject or at WP:RS/N (the Reliable Sources noticeboard) about sources you are not sure about - if there is consensus to remove, that makes life easier.
  • Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 14:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Overtly homosexual

Don't think the phrase/term "overtly homosexual relationship" is accurate in describing the Ren and Stimpy Adult Party cartoon episode 'Stimpy's Pregnant.' Homosexuals cannot fertilize/reproduce with one another. Obviously. The episode explicitly states that Ren impregnates Stimpy. This cannot - by definition - be homosexual. I guess, in the story Stimpy is 'female.' And the sexes of the characters aren't ever specified. Think it should be changed. Seems to me to be an unnecessary and patently inaccurate remark - and might be viewed as being motivated by zeitgeist political stuff. I see it that way - as an attempt to make a homosexual issue where one doesn't exist. This has been tried before. Show has them emulating heterosexual couples. And if Stimpy being impregnated by Ren is the "outting" referenced elsewhere (See wikipedia's Ren & Stimpy characters page)- doesn't anyone see a clear biological conflict with that being cited as evidence for homosexuality? As in - "they're gay because one impregnated the other?" Perhaps instead Stimpy might be described as hermaphroditic or transgender. Or simply female. If being a pregnant mammal doesn't qualify one for being female - I don't know what does. DiluvianEnt (talk) 13:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC) DiluvianEnt

It's a wacky cartoon. Goodbye Galaxy (talk) 14:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

IMDB as a source?

Regarding the use of IMDB as a source for the final episode's airdate, I tried to remove it, but it was swiftly readded. I am taking the WP:BRD route and have started a discussion here to see if anyone can voice their opinions on this matter. IMDB is not considered a reliable source by any means (see WP:RS/IMDB). With that said, should we replace it with a more reliable source or not? Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

You can't trust any of the Ren & Stimy air dates on IMDb, they are undoubtedly user-submitted and some of them are easily shown to be false. IsaacAA (talk) 20:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The information may be added by users, but the entries are screened as much as possible for accuracy. There are literally no articles elsewhere online citing the claim about airing the said episode, but it's a very important blurb to mention (cited or not). I'll continue looking, however.
QValintyne (talk) 22:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The use of IMDb in this instance (to identify an air date/release date), falls under the "disputed use" section of the Citing IMDb page. We could argue this either way but for now, the overall answer will always be disputed until a conclusion is reached on the validity of IMDb as a source. QValintyne (talk) 22:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

There's been a complete sweep of IMDb sources on the page. Most importantly, the "undisputed uses" of IMDb have been removed (the ones regarding cast and/or crew listings). According to the Citing IMDb page, these sources should be allowed to stay. Without them, the article looks clean and poorly researched. Any thoughts? QValintyne (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I have restored one IMDB ref. that I removed the other day. You are correct in saying that cast lists are acceptable. I should have looked more closely before removing it. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 02:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Influences to the sidebox

I would find it very useful to have the points "Influenced by" and "Influenced" added to the sidebox just like in the articles of philosophers. One would be able to immediately tell where the influences of the show lie and have a quick understanding of its themes and motifs. One could also immediately tell which shows were especially influential. I suggest that this is added to all the TV shows.--80.218.156.126 (talk) 09:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

"Cult status"

I'm curious if anyone else thinks that the use of the phrase "cult status", which indicates a sort of worship of the show by a niche, especially if unsourced, would constitute WP:PEACOCK. The article on Star Wars, for example, doesn't mention "cult status". Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Broadcast in the UK and other places

After speaking with a couple of people, in trying to move forward in how best to introduce this section, I will be revising the piece again. Main point is we have details as to when it was broadcast in the USA, but no where else, In other countries there took the view this was NO kids cartoon. I may have been trying to also included transmission details, but this will take a while longer, so watch out for the new section--Crazyseiko (talk) 19:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, have you taken a look at MOS:TV#Broadcast? That might be helpful to you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Just to say its not gone away, other stuff have appeared and also I talking with someone else if it would be better placed in an section already here. I do still believe BBC time slots should be noted as there did not treat this series as a kids programme. --Crazyseiko (talk) 22:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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