Talk:The Pope's Exorcist

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When is the pope exorcist film coming out in the uk 92.41.219.214 (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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Discussion of cuts/revisions

Here is the restored text (though someone else reverted my restoration, so I hope my version below is accurate), at bottom, in line with Bloodyboppa's wanting to go to the Talk page.. ...Your (Bloodyboppa's) version retained, e.g., mentioning the "Miraculous Medal", which could be considered "minutiae" (or "technical detail"). That is, some of the things you cut out may not be any less relevant than what a particular medal is. Thus, a lot of what is saved or removed, may be a matter of taste, therefore, not a reason to cut out a whopping 1267 characters/whatever.

One possible way (among others) to resolve things is, since you eliminated 1267 characters from the text: if we split it in half, and, say, you eliminated only 633 or 634 characters, then there would be a "half and half" thing: you'd be eliminating less than you wanted, but more than I wanted. I didn't see the need for any eliminations (the text you removed had been there a long time... except, maybe, the changes from you that I put in! that's right, you eliminated some of the links you yourself recommended, that I inserted), but again, if things were "split down the middle", that might be a "workable compromise". Maybe.

Anyway, hope we can have a productive, civil discussion. Respectfully said. Thanks.

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In 1987, Father Gabriele Amorth, the Pope's personal exorcist, an earthy, scooter-riding, humorous, practical man, visits an Italian village where a man is seemingly possessed by a demon. With the local priest, Amorth enters the room where the man is tied up. While exorcising him, using a Saint Benedict Medal sacramental, Amorth taunts the demon, challenging it to possess a pig; when it does, the pig is killed with a shotgun.

This incident gets Amorth in trouble with a Church tribunal since he acted without permission from superiors. One tribunal member is a friendly African bishop, Lumumba, but another is a vicious American cardinal, Sullivan, skeptical of demonic possession. Amorth replies that evil does exist and that he did not perform an actual exorcism but rather, some psychological theater to help the mentally-ill man. Disgusted, Amorth walks out of the tribunal.

The Pope assigns Amorth to visit a possessed boy named Henry in Spain. Henry, his mother Julia, and his rebellious teenage sister Amy had traveled from America to take possession of a mysterious old Spanish abbey, Julia's husband's sole bequest to his family after he died in a car accident where Henry was also present. The traumatized Henry has not spoken since the accident. Workers restoring the abbey so the family could sell it leave after a sinister fire. Henry starts behaving bizarrely, and supernatural events unfold; serum chemistry panels and MRI show nothing abnormal.

Diabolically possessed, Henry requests a priest; the local Father Tomas Esquibel arrives, but Henry obscenely derides him. Amorth arrives and enlists Esquibel as an assistant, though Esquibel is untrained as an exorcist. Esquibel has heard of Amorth but not read Amorth's books; Amorth believes they are good books. Amorth advocates the importance of prayer, though Esquibel makes mistakes as an assistant exorcist, including strangling Henry when Henry antagonizes him, mocking him for his sins.

The duo attempt to exorcise Henry, without success, as he utters blasphemous phrases during the rite. Henry's demon even possesses Amy at times. Amorth finds Julia has not been a religious believer since childhood. Still, he convinces her to pray after she reveals she believed her guardian angel helped her in her youth.

In Rome, the Pope becomes ill while reading documents about the Spanish case and is hospitalized. Amorth finds a well on the abbey grounds going down to a complex sealed off by the Church as demonically dangerous. He learns that a founder of the Spanish Inquisition, an exorcist, was possessed, which let him infiltrate the Church and do many evils. Amorth also finds the Church covered this up and eventually discovers the name of Henry's demon, Asmodeus, which will assist the exorcism.

Amorth and Esquibel participate in the sacrament of Confession and Absolution, mutually confessing and absolving each other of their sins: that after Amorth, an Italian partisan, survived World War II and vowed to serve God in gratitude, a mentally-ill woman asked for Amorth's help, and died by suicide when he did not help her due to pride; and Esquibel fornicated with a young woman he did not later marry. The two ready themselves; Amorth instructs Esquibel to wear a Miraculous Medal necklace. During the exorcism, they have horrible visions of the women whom they failed. The exorcism succeeds only when Amorth offers himself to be possessed, which chimes with Asmodeus's previously stating that he wants to destroy Amorth.

Amorth tries to hang himself, but the demon doesn't allow it, preferring that Amorth infiltrate and destroy the Church. However, Esquibel helps Amorth drive away the demon and demonic appearances resembling the two women who troubled the men. The Pope recovers, as does Henry.

The triumphant duo visit Rome and find Sullivan has taken leave in Guam, being replaced by Lumumba. Amorth and Esquibel are admitted to a special Church archive; Lumumba tells them they will be visiting 199 other evil sites, with the help of a map Amorth discovered at the abbey, to combat the Devil; Amorth comments that he and Esquibel are going to Hell. Finally, words on the screen narrate details about Amorth's career, including his writing many books and that "the books are good", followed by a photo of the real Amorth. 47.149.210.180 (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, there's still technical detail that isn't vital to the plot as outlined on Wikipedia per Manual of Style. Examples of this would be the bishop being African, cardinal being American (and where he takes leave); one could argue the types of medals, etc. Plot on Wikipedia is meant to be the bare minimum required to give the reader an overview of major plot points. Bloodyboppa (talk) 21:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. ...There're many Plot sections on Wikipedia which aren't the "bare minimum", so I don't know if it's a necessity to razor them all down to a skeleton, after all the work that people put in. ...Do you have any "compromise" in mind, whereby neither of us will get everything he/she wants, but will get something substantial? Roughly "half-and-half" or something? Or what do you think? Thanks. Happy 4th of July, in any case. 47.149.210.180 (talk) 02:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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