Talk:The Place Promised in Our Early Days

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Since, as stated in the article, the official English title of this film is "The Place Promised in Our Early Days", the article should be moved to that title. Shiroi Hane 15:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. There are way too many articles with the foreign name issue. Like Indigo Prophecy linking to Fahrenheit (video game). -- Psi edit 18:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Sayuri surviving?

Surely as she is in the same plane as Hiroki, and that she is plainly seen alive at the end of the film, how can it be doubted that she survives? Granted she was linked to the tower, but only as a barrier to its power. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.229.216.25 (talk • contribs) 14:51, April 27, 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Sayuri appears in the last shot and there is no evidence that she did not survive. The part of the article suggesting that she died is speculation, and without being backed by citations and sources, should be removed (I have done so). —Lowellian (reply) 23:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Fully agreed. The movie suggests she stayed alive, telling the story in her voice from a much later time. She can be seen so, and, while really losing something, it is not her life. Her possible death is just a speculation, and is not to be included here, especially in this form. CP/M ^comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 23:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I concur —Preceding unsigned comment added by JyL (talk • contribs) 14:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Sayuri might have died..

Questions... where the hell was she in the beginning of the movie when he was on the train and went to their hideout area???? why does he look all sad and why does he remember sayuri's younger self running past him??? it clearly looks like he is much older, more like an adult in the begining. User: noob1 time: 7:36pm wednesday, february 28th 2007(noob time code)

I agree that Sayuri might have died. As mentioned, at the beginning when we see Hiroki he is much older and when he talks about Sayuri its as if she died and has a vision of a young Sayuri running by him. Almost as if he is remembering a dead person. She probably was alive at the end of the film (ie when they blew up the tower), but may have died later on, giving rise to the depressed looking Hiroki at the beginning of the film which is probably set at a much later date (after they blew up the tower).

Wondering of your opinions on the beginning segment.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clefable (talk • contribs) 01:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Sayuri *might* have died, but I think, given the tone of the end of the movie, that it is unlikely. As for the start, I think that the visual is probably set during the three years when Hiroki did not know where Sayuri was (indeed, it may be a dream sequence). The voice-over, on the other hand, is later, since it is certainly after the war. In short, I think that the voice-over is Hiroki reflecting on his time of loneliness.

You can speculate all you like, people, but this is not the place for it. The important thing is: there is nothing said or shown in the film that clearly suggests that Sayuri dies, and there are a million other reasons for Hiroki looking sad while visiting the air field. So there is no way we're going to write any of this into the article. -- Imladros (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

HIROKI IS OLDER IN THE OPENING OF THE MOVIE. THAT IS NOT IN HIS 3 YEARS OF SEARCHING. SAYURI DID DIED.DATS ALL

Sayuri didn't die at the end of the movie. The both of them couldn't stay together and sayuri moved away to start a life of her own. This is all because she forgot the feeling she had in the dream. If she hadn't forgotten both of them would have stayed together. Did any of you read the story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.7.88 (talk) 09:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Allusions section

From the article:

"Although it was never explained in explicit details regarding the physical and mental attachment between Sayuri and the Tower, it was strongly hinted to be influenced by genetic reasons. Not only was it stated that the Tower was the creation of her grandfather, but in a shot at the end showing the destruction of the Tower within Takuya's line of sight, the skeletal support of the building can be clearly seen to be double-helix in shape, a reference to DNA."

Is it just me, or does seem rather bogus and poor evidence of the claim made? Also, if you've seen the movie you'd notice that the inside of the tower is definitely NOT in the shape of a double helix so much as just random swirling upward. Like I said, though, even if it were, the "evidence" provided doesn't really seem to support the claim much. Considering the rest of the movie, I can't really see the tower being some sort of giant reconstruction of her DNA or something, made long before she was ever born for some pretty much magical purpose in the future. Dfsghjkgfhdg (talk) 19:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it bogus ... I'd call it speculative bullshit, just like the stuff about Sayuri dying. Vote for speedy deletion of that paragraph. -- Imladros (talk) 16:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Original Research. Take it out. Fox816 (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Fox816, just deleted it. Total original research, and it's unacceptable. ask123 (talk) 01:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

No original research

I deleted most of the analysis section because it totally violates Wikipedia policies. It's all original research. Wikipedia is not a forum for personal analysis. If editors want to write analytical paragraphs, then find sources. It's OK to include that kind of stuff only if there are citations from "experts" in the field -- in this case, recognized media/anime/film critics. I left in the "Themes and motifs" section but am tempted to delete it. Those who are invested in this article should re-write it. If not, I'll delete it in a few days. Cheers, ask123 (talk) 01:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll be editing in bits of the original "Analysis" part. Some of them have clearly been speculative, e.g. North and South Korea bit (IMHO it's much more akin to East and West Germany, but whatever), however some other bits are not original research at all, e.g. references to literature read by characters in the film. These bits are quintessential for a better understanding of the underlying themes and are far from obvious to the Western audience. They are also solid facts and thus do not violate any of WP's policies.~~ Nicholas A. Chambers (talk) 13:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Regarding original research, the plot section also includes many subjective interpretations, some of which contradict statements by staff such as Shinkai. For example, regarding the ending of the film, Shinkai previously stated in interviews (I read these many years ago in print magazines so unfortunately cannot recall the source...) that while he wants to leave the ending open to viewer interpretation, the actual ending to the movie is first scene in the movie, which takes place ten years later, where Hiroki is alone. The plot section however says "film ends with Hiroki vowing to Sayuri that they will start their relationship anew". I do not know if this was a change in the English version of the movie, but this is not what the original film contains. Sayuri says she has forgotten something important, and Hiroki says she can make new memories. This description of the ending contradicts the director's intention, and also contradicts the actual content of the film. There are also other conjectures in the description, like saying that "Sayuri was used by her grandfather, a Union physicist, to channel all of the Tower's unstable dimension-creating energy" when in fact Tomizawa only says he does not think it was a coincidence. The entire plot section is filled with such conjectures, and so I am removing it. I am not opposed to re-adding a plot section, only to the current version of the plot section which is too problematic to be left in: As such, if someone is to re-add a plot section, it should be written from scratch and leave out conjectures and subjective interpretations. 27.84.15.217 (talk) 12:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Japan renunification

In the theme and motifs section :

Japan is split into North and South by the Separation, but it is possibly reunified following the war at the end.

As far as I know, in the early part of the movie one of Hiroki's line reads "It was before the war,when the huge island called Ezo was still a foreign territory."

To me that infers that Japan is now reunified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akmdw (talk • contribs) 18:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Bela Ĉielo - An Esperanto name with no evidence

The plane in the film that the lads build is called "Bela Ĉielo" - At first I thought this was an extremely bad attempt at italian but after rereading the name and noticing the '^' I realised it was Esperanto (Bela = beautiful, Ĉielo = sky, heaven). I don't know if this deserves a note in-article or not. The problem I have with adding it to the article is that I can't find ANYTHING linking "Bela Ĉielo" with Esperanto, the Director with Esperanto or the movie with esperanto, other than the fact that Bela Ĉielo is perfectly good Esperanto. So any thoughts on this? I know a fair few languages and I'm sure it's nothing other than Esperanto, unless Shinkai accidentally created his own language identical to Esperanto. But it feels like a waste of space to write "Bela Ĉielo means Beautiful Sky in Esperanto" and then not mention the reason why the Bela Ĉielo is called that. It feels like an incomplete dictionary etymology. Ceigered (talk) 08:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I often name my game characters in Swahili for no particular reason. Maybe they just checked the dictionary for "Beautiful Sky in Esperanto"? 91.154.218.17 (talk) 06:08, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

In what scene do you see "Bela Ĉielo"? I remember seeing "Velaciela", which is obviously a misspelling (see http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2007-05-04 which talks about this) of some Romance language version of "Beautiful Sky", but Esperanto seems like a pretty unlikely source unless you actually saw it spelled that way somewhere. Ian Dalton (talk) 00:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Although neither the Japanese nor English audio ever refer to the plane as such, using Velaciela in Japanese and Bella Ciela in English, the American release of the DVD calls it "Bela Ĉielo" in the description on the back cover. Shirotatsu (talk) 18:09, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. The airplane is not called Bela Cielo. In Japanese the name is written as ヴェラシーラ、while Bela Cielo would be written as ベラチエロ and they are nothing alike. If the name sounds like Bela Cielo in your version of the film, that is a problem with your version's dub. Furthermore, while director Shinkai has not mentioned the language of the name, he has said that the name means "White Wings" so any interpretation where you take it to mean "Beautiful Sky" is objectively wrong. 27.84.15.217 (talk) 13:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)