Talk:The Orion Experience

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Kelbrindle (talk) 21:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)== Confused and unsourced claims ==[reply]

The band's music appeared on MTV's soundtrack to Laguna Beach and several tracks from their 2007 release, Cosmicandy, were included in Zoey 101: Chasing Zoey. Their track "Obsessed with You" will also be featured in the upcoming thriller The Honeymoon Phase.
1. Can this be sourced?
2. Should it be mentioned on the two relevant pages?
3. Is the thriller in question The Honeymoon Phase (2014) or The Honeymoon Phase (2019)?--Adûnâi (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I saw all those edits by user:Kelbrindle. Really detailed info on the history of the band, but not a single source! It's helpful information, so, Kelbrindle, if you're seeing this, please add some sources. Can't find any myself for a lot of it Owcs (talk) 06:16, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback user:Owcs. I will compile my sources and see if they are workable! Kelbrindle (talk) 21:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grooming allegations

I’m going to preface this by saying I support those coming forward with these allegations. In a perfect world, this would have been picked up by the media and we could add it to Wikipedia. However, a quick search shows that I can’t find any reliable third party source corroborating the allegations. I know that one of the victims called attention to this section being removed, and I apologize. However, Wikipedia cannot add it until there’s a reliable source. Purple Lights! 23:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orion also had a video on his TikTok where he admitted to grooming one of the people who came forward. The video (along with the rest of his page) has since been deleted, but if anyone has it saved, I'm sure it could be used as a very reliable source for the claim that he's a groomer. 156.57.63.88 (talk) 02:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. However, despite there not seemingly being third-party sources, @theartemisproject on tiktok has posted screenshots upon screenshots of Simprini's disgusting behavior, alongside a series titled "My groomer's lyrics that should have been red flags." Where they post more evidence proving Simprini actually wrote about said victims in their songs. D4vestriderreal (talk) 23:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PurpleLights @D4vestriderreal

I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia's criteria for citation reliability, but would any of these count as a reliable third-party source?

POPTOPIC.COM.AU is a pop-culture news and gossip site based in Australia.

The screenshots feel pretty credible to me, but I'm not sure if that's good enough for Wikipedia's standards, so I'd appreciate your perspective. CallMeSarge (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PopTopic is hardly a investigative outlet. Until anyone with repute investigates and finds reasonable suspiscion I would not add it to the wiki. 85.210.117.84 (talk) 05:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added the reason that Needlejuice Records gave in their public statement about why they stopped working for the band and destroyed the unsold vinyls, as it's both credible and a non-speculative fact, and that section of the article was incredibly sudden, jarring, and confusing when the reason was not provided. (I simply noted that they removed the vinyls "in light of allegations", quoting the label's public statement). This explains to the reader why the band was so drastically and suddenly severed from the label while avoiding any possible issues with credibility or disparagement, though it's still pretty vague and weaselly for my liking.

I could perhaps see a basis for mentioning the specific allegations on the page light of this, since, as far as I'm aware, these were the only allegations the band was involved in at all at the time, but I'm not sure how much Wikipedia's rules advise dancing around things like this and I don't feel like doing that much reading at the moment tbh lol. TheWorldWeKnew (talk) 21:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dogs

Dumb and cute 24.168.50.241 (talk) 19:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reason why Needlejuice removed their records for sale

Should the article mention WHY the band's label decided to discourage the sale of their records? This ties in with the grooming allegations against Simprini, but it feels like a significant decision regarding the band that wasn't taken lightly. Bradyargo (talk) 01:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have to agree. This feels like a huge an important part of the band's history, but I'm not sure how to edit that properly. Hippiefanatic (talk) 03:02, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is it enough to cite Needlejuice's official statement? Hippiefanatic (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting the records were never actually removed (yet.) They were moved to the bottom of the site and discouraged from being bought, I assume due to contract reasons. However, another statement has come our saying all remaining stock is set to be destroyed in November. https://twitter.com/needlejuicerec/status/1579550453574283264 Bradyargo (talk) 15:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]