Talk:The Nun (2018 film)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Youtube Ad

This movie had a Youtube ad that startled users, forcing it to be removed from the site. All over the news. Add this? Lockethot (talk) 23:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I went ahead and added a sentence about it under release, but I don't think that its the best sentence I've ever written so somebody please feel free to clean it up. (Warning- the linked wp article autoplays the trailer if you scroll down the page far enough so you have to pause it if you don't want to be shrieked at by the zombie nun) GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2018

Please change 'August Maturo as Daniel' to 'August Maturo and Jack Falk as Daniel' as there were two actors that portrayed the role. (Jack Falk played Demon Daniel and was in Romania for the shoot- see IMBD) Carmfalk (talk) 20:18, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. IMDB is not considered a reliable source for most purposes on Wikipedia. See WP:Citing IMDb. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 21:34, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Plot

Hi Anupam... would love to stop having to revert your edits that are increasing the length of the plot even though, until recently, it well exceeded the 400- to 700-word guideline of WP:FILMPLOT. The circumstances of Burke and Irene's meeting are not crucial to understanding the plot of the movie, nor is the repetition of their titles throughout, even in abbreviated form. Neither is the location of Burke's discovery that the entity is Valak. Plot summaries are meant to be just that: summaries, the broad strokes of what happened, hence the guidelines on length. Many more complicated plots have been summarised within the guidelines, so it's unlikely this film deserves any kind of exception in that respect. —Joeyconnick (talk) 01:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello User:Joeyconnick, thank you for your comment and for your desire to improve this article. I am willing to WP:COMPROMISE and have therefore removed the location of Fr. Burke's discovery, as well as the identification of Valak as The Defiler, both per your suggestion (though I personally thought that this was relevant information). In accordance with your wishes, I've also removed all the titles from the section apart from when the characters are first introduced. The "Plot" section now numbers 695 words, which is less the the 700-word guidleline in WP:FILMPLOT. I trust that you will also work together and accept the other improvements I've made to the section rather than reverting my edits, given that I have tried to compromise with many of your requests. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 01:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate your adopting some of my suggested changes. I still think there are pieces that either need improvement or are unnecessary:

1. While Sr. Irene is teaching children the relationship between religion and science in a school, her Mother Superior interrupts her and informs her that Burke has arrived in order to request Irene's accompaniment in his trip to Romania. – this is unnecessary info because what Irene is doing when Burke arrives is irrelevant, and should be cut (also, still lists Sr. Irene)
2. Irene then informs Burke that God has called her to make her solemn vows as a nun and asks Burke to elevate her to the status of a professed nun, which he does in the abbey's chapel. – this is also unnecessary info because while yes, it does happen in the movie, it does not impact the plot in any way... Valak is still able to possess her, etc. Her having taken her vows has zero impact on what happens after.
3. Burke has been saddened by the boy's death with him ever since. – this is particularly bad, because not only is it a mishmash of the original version and your version and thus grammatically incorrect, but it's also not that Burke is saddened by Daniel's death, but that he feels guilty about it, which is why Valak takes the boy's form to torment him; being sad someone died is quite different from blaming yourself that they died
4. Burke identifies the entity as Valak from a book. – this is not wholesale inaccurate, but I feel like mentioning he researches demons to figure out it's Valak is less clunky than saying he identifies it "from a book".

I'll hold off making these changes until I hear from you, Anupam, but if there are no valid counterarguments provided, I think they should be made.

I'm also curious as to why you feel the location of Burke's discovery/research should be mentioned and why Valak's title of "the Defiler" is relevant. Again, like with how Irene finds out about Burke's arrival, I'm not saying those facts are false; I'm saying I don't see how either of them advance a reader's understanding of the plot. —Joeyconnick (talk) 03:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello User:Joeyconnick, you are welcome to make the change you outline in Number 4 of your list. With regard to Number 3, could you kindly provide the transcript from the movie where Fr. Burke assumes guilt for the boy's death? When I viewed the film, the boy's death was not any result of Fr. Burke's prayers of deliverance during the exorcism, but rather a result of demonic activity. I think Number 2 is an extremely important aspect of the film that should not be changed--Sr. Irene was a novice at the start of the movie and as a result of battling with evil throughout the film, she has chosen to take her solemn vows as a nun. The fact that she becomes possessed is irrelevant to this important decision--many viewers may have thought that her and Frenchie were going to fall in love, but this did not happen. Number 1 is noteworthy because it provides insight to the character of Sr. Irene and her views on how faith related to the world--it is then that we have the opportunity to see her before she enters the fight with evil at the Romanian abbey. I hope my explanations are helpful. Once again, I have shown that I am willing to compromise even more; however, as noted above, there are things that I strongly feel should be retained in the article. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 04:47, 18 September 2018 (UTC)