Talk:The Next Civil War

Very bad copy

This article is almost - and in several places utterly - unreadable. Many passages are self-contradictory and read like machine translation from another language. (Which is perhaps exactly what happened.) It's also strewn with typos and bad formatting, which I would happily correct if I knew what the original writer meant to say.

Witness: "Marche prepared plans for the next civil war by negotiating with soldiers and army experts who take control of conflicts."

And: "As Marche mentioned, the next civil war in America will raise from meaning, 'Difference is the core of the American experience.' American citizens could not tolerate economic or social inequalities."

I can't fix this, because I haven't read the author in question and have no idea what he actually wrote. Here's hoping someone who has can impose some order here. Laodah 21:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree, the article is in rather poor shape. I have made a few corrections, atleast for the reviews as those are something I can correct with the citations. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 09:12, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Violation of WP:SYNTH and WP:Original research, Source misrepresentation

Some issues I found reviewing the recent edits by CapnJackSp on this page.

1. Diff C1 made up stuff not supported in the article. Please provide quote from source if you disagree.
2. Diff C2The author does not say anything about the ideology, yet CapnJackSp adds stuff he made up.
3. Diff C3 Misrepresents current decade as "next decade" Venkat TL (talk) 18:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah no. While I hadnt replied to this on ADE, due to size restraints, I'm more than open to doing so here.

C1 - :However, the belief that there was going to be a civil war in Ireland made everything worse. Once that idea takes hold, it has a force of its own. The demagogues warn that the other side is mobilizing. They are coming for us. Not only do we have to defend ourselves, but we have to deny them the advantage of making the first move. The logic of the preemptive strike sets in: Do it to them before they do it to you. The other side, of course, is thinking the same thing. That year, 1972, was one of the most murderous in Northern Ireland precisely because this doomsday mentality was shared by ordinary, rational people like my father. Premonitions of civil war served not as portents to be heeded, but as a warrant for carnage.

Could the same thing happen in the United States? Much of American culture is already primed for the final battle. There is a very deep strain of apocalyptic fantasy in fundamentalist Christianity. Armageddon may be horrible, but it is not to be feared, because it will be the harbinger of eternal bliss for the elect and eternal damnation for their foes. On what used to be referred to as the far right, but perhaps should now simply be called the armed wing of the Republican Party, the imminence of civil war is a given.

Indeed, the conflict can be imagined not as America’s future, but as its present. In an interview with The Atlantic published in November 2020, two months before the invasion of the U.S. Capitol on January 6, the founder of the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes, declared: “Let’s not fuck around.” He added, “We’ve descended into civil war.” The following month, the FBI, warning of possible attacks on state capitols, said that members of the so-called boogaloo movement “believe an impending insurgency against the government is forthcoming and some believe they should accelerate the timeline with armed, antigovernment actions leading to a civil war.”

Premonitions of civil war in Ireland served not as portents to be heeded, but as a warrant for carnage.

After January 6, mainstream Republicans picked up the theme. Much of the American right is spoiling for a fight, in the most literal sense. Which is one good reason to be very cautious about echoing, as the Canadian journalist and novelist Stephen Marche does in The Next Civil War: Dispatches From the American Future, the claim that America “is already in a state of civil strife, on the threshold of civil war.” These prophecies have a way of being self-fulfilling.

Pretty sure you can figure this out now.

C2- That was a copyedit of material from another editor, as the summary makes absolutely clear. And it was edited to a correct version a few moments later by me, when I cross checked the material to make sure that the original editor had the right material since it looked weird, and I found that it was misrepresented.

C3 - Within the next decade, the coming decade, this decade, all refer to the time period between now and ten years from now (2022-2032). No idea what meaning you have derived from the fairly obvious sentence. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 20:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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