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Kaylee in Trivia

Kaylee has expressed romantic interest in two men thus far — Simon and Tracey — who have threatened her life. Simon refuses to treat her gunshot wound unless they protect River from the Alliance in "Serenity", and now Tracey holds her at gunpoint. Joss Whedon wryly observes in the DVD commentaries that one quick path to Firefly drama is to threaten the relentlessly sweet engineer. (A tactic he also admitted to using in early Buffy episodes, where he said that putting Willow in danger was the surest way to win over the viewers.)

while I'm not arguing the result, but if memory serves me right, she fell for Tracey BEFORE he held her at gunpoint. So am wondering if the second sentence should be reworded to:

Kaylee has expressed romantic interest in two men thus far — Simon and Tracey — who have threatened her life. Simon refuses to treat her gunshot wound unless they protect River from the Alliance in "Serenity", and now Tracey, whom she is attracted to, holds her at gunpoint -plange 16:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This might not be the sort of analysis/speculation that belongs in Wikipedia, but I think it's fair to say there might be a prior relationship between Kaylee and Tracey. Thoughts? (I can cite evidence if need be) -Juansmith 22:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Tracey left Mal's and Zoe's company before Mal got Serenity and Mal didn't meet Kaylee until that lovely scene in "Out of Gas" where she replaced his original engineer. Nothing I can see linking them prior to the events of this episode, though I wouldn't be opposed to hearing this evidence you got. NathanJ1979 (talk) 10:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Private Tracey

Note that the actor playing Tracey (Jonathan M. Woodward) played a vampire in Buffy and one of Illyria's worshippers in Angel.--Sar e kOfVulcan 19:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in all 3 of the shows he dies in, and there is always a casket connected to the caracter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedna1000 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

jewish postmaster

is it noteworthy that the postmaster is Jewish (the Kippah on his head, and the Jewish name)? Jon513 13:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's obvious, and it's mentioned in the commentary. -- Sy / ^(talk) 15:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References/Sources

The "This page does not site ANY references . . ." is false. There is a reference sited on the page re: the hugo awards or some such. I'm pretty new to the editing part of this, is there just a template that says this page needs more cited sources or something similar? I can swear I've seen it, and would fix it myself if I knew how. I may read up and brush up on what I know as I guess it may be the right time. Broooooooce (talk) 01:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed there is. I'll let you do the honors of replacing the {{unreferenced}} tag with {{refimprove|article|date=March 2008}}, since you spotted the problem. A good page to keep bookmarked is Wikipedia:Template messages, which is an overwhelming but incredibly useful index of these kinds of templates. Thanks for pointing this out! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip, now all I need is a big green check mark to put next to the word "done" :D Broooooooce (talk) 09:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In XKCD

Randall Munroe references River's quote in this episode "My food is problematic", in this cartoon: http://xkcd.com/439/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unquenchablefire (talk • contribs) 00:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mind-readin' genius

A recent edit to the "Allusions" section changed this item:

When River expresses difficulty of eating a particular frozen sweet, Jayne comments on that fact that River is a "mind readin' genius." This information is not released until two episodes later in "Heart of Gold", revealing another discontinuity in the shows "out-of-order" broadcast sequence. It is also unknown if Jayne was speaking figuratively or specifically of River's telepathic abilities.

to this:

When River expresses difficulty of eating a particular frozen sweet, Jayne comments on that fact that River is a "mind readin' genius." This information could have been gathered from the episode Safe where River can tell the pasts of people she meets in a town without having been told of it. It is also unknown if Jayne was speaking figuratively or specifically of River's telepathic abilities.

I've removed the entire item because the first is analytical without source (and implicitly contradicts the established "true" order of episodes which still places "The Message" before "Heart of Gold"), and the second is speculative. If someone can produce a more consistently factual statement on this subject, perhaps it might be re-added. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]