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Air date

guess what? i saw episode 2 two days before it went air! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.136.61.26 (talk • contribs)

Yup, they air in Canada before the U.S.; I have updated the article to reflect that, since the "Original Air Date" is not specifically US-centric if it airs elsewhere earlier. :) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 18:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And again, I have put it back in. I think it's only gonna be necessary for the first 5 episodes, since after that the Wednesday CBS air date will be the "original air date". This isn't the first time this is the case with The Mentalist and other season articles accurately reflect the "original air date", so I dunno why it would be an issue here? Readers who see an episode on live TV and then come to the article and see the so-called "original air date" is in the future are going to be needlessly confused, which is contrary to Wikipedia's goals. The footnote adequately resolves said potential confusion. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 21:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But I do think that a country that made films and TV shows should only be the one that had the release on that table, not from the country that first released before that country that made any film or show. BattleshipMan (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What policy could possibly lead you to think that? And why would what you think necessarily be the correct way to present the information in the article? "My opinion should be followes instead of policy" is not a valid justification for reverting. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some Wikipedia policies are never right when it comes to certain things like not letting on when a episode aired on the country that makes and produces a show. You probably know that I'm right about that. BattleshipMan (talk) 02:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't. You can't just say that your opinion is right regardless of policy. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 02:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Look, there should be a consensus to have shows from US, UK and Canada to have their release dates on the seasonal episode table because the shows that are made and produced from a certain country should have their release dates revealed rather than show the earliest release from a different country. BattleshipMan (talk) 02:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't at all understand why the original air date should be anything but the earliest date of an official airing. You can keep saying there should be a consensus for that, but unless there actually is one, you should stop edit warring over it. --Onorem (talk) 02:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I ask: why should it be that way, BattleshipMan? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 02:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Problem is that Canada aired the first season 7 episodes of The Mentalist two or three days earlier than CBS airing their episodes in the US, which the shows that are owned and produced in specific countries (like The Mentalist which is owned by the US, Spooks which is owned and produced by the UK and Flashpoint is owned and produced in Canada) should have their release dates, not the earliest release date from different countries. BattleshipMan (talk) 02:56, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why is that a problem? If they aired it earlier, that's the original airing. It's not listed as original airdate in the country where the show is produced. --Onorem (talk) 02:59, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because readers from the country that produced their own show will likely forget the exact release date of the episodes of various shows that are from their own country. Show that are made and produced in specific countries should have their release dates. BattleshipMan (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What if a note was added that indicated the original US air date? Would that work for you? --Onorem (talk) 03:08, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It will look a bit more cluttered, but since it's only for the first 5 episodes, I have no objections to making 5 footnotes clarifying the exact air dates. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 03:10, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There was one footnote on one of the episodes on The Mentalist (season 6). So I think that will be fine for now until a consensus to have the airdates of the episodes that have been aired in the country that made and produced the shows has been reached. BattleshipMan (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is also one such footnote in season 4 (I think?). I shall build individual footnotes for the first 5 episodes later tonight. As for whether that should become standard or not in general editing guidelines about airdates, the best place to start a discussion is probably Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 03:30, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think so. I'll start a discussion about that airdate issue tomorrow. BattleshipMan (talk) 03:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The footnotes are a good compromise. Using anything but 'first official airing, regardless of country' as the date seems pretty silly. It's not as if critics and fans will just politely sit around not-discussing a show while waiting for the usa/uk/whatever airdate Selena1981 (talk) 23:55, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*That is now Done as discussed for the first 4 episodes that have already aired. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]