Talk:The Mary Tyler Moore Show/Archives/2014

Pointless aside

For some reason I find it excessively funny that someone wrote "Rhoda moved back to New York for the spinoff series...". Rhoda was not an actress, Mr Brooks only dreams he could have been so postmodern as to have her moving to New York to star in spinoff series named after her own character, ala The Gary Shandling Show. That would have been awesome, tho. So anyway, fixt. (Btw, not trying to insult whoever created that edit, I've written very stupid stuff myself, it's just funny as it is, not as a reflection any editor.) Eaglizard (talk) 21:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, whoever reverted me on that, let me be clear: if you say "Rhoda moves to New York for the spinoff" you are saying that the spinoff (a tv series in the real world) actually is the reason Rhoda moved. But it can't be, because the spinoff doesn't exist in Rhoda's world. She doesn't know she's a character on a sitcom. She moves to New York because she falls in love with Joe Gerard. The writers had her move for the purpose of starting a spinoff, sure, but that doesn't really need to be pointed out. Please don't revert my newer attempt to improve this article without at least discussing it here first. We've done B and the R, so it's time for some D. Sure, it's a nitpicky point, but I'm like that sometimes. Eaglizard (talk) 08:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I would further tweak the last sentence by moving "after the fourth season" to the beginning, as it sounds better that way, to me anyway. Also, I would alter "falls in love," as while she does eventually get married and divorced, she also (I think) wanted to be with her family. My memory on that is hazy, so if I'm wrong, forget I said anything. __ 209.179.21.14 (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Nothing about the show's end?

I'm surprised that there is nothing here about the circumstances of its demise. This is especially significant since on the MTM bio page (as I write this), it claims that the cancellation was a surprise to everyone, including MTM herself (which seems very unlikely). That contradicts what I've always heard, that it was a decision by MTM herself, much like what Jerry Seinfeld did for his show, to end it before it died an agonizing death. (The assertion in the MTM bio page is not documented, so it's likely not correct.) Surely some fan of the show can verity the real circumstances of it's end.__209.179.21.14 (talk) 20:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't these also be noted?

Just like the others, the popularity of actress Betty White from the show led to her starring in a new show, The Betty White Show, (which was not a spin off for the Sue Ann Nivens character).

It was his popularity as Murray Slaughter that got Gavin MacLeod his gig as Capt. Stubing on the The Love Boat.

And wasn't Ted Knight offered an opportunity to spin Ted Baxter off into his own show?__209.179.21.14 (talk) 21:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

possibly the only drama series to be a spin-off of a sitcom.... NOPE!

The Bradys comes to mind right off the bat, I'm sure there must be others. So it's not just speculative, it's wrong. The fact that The Bradys was a drama spun off of a well known sitcom was one reason it failed. Lou Grant was about one character from a show in a brand new situation, the fact that it had so little connection to the sitcom was probably part of the reason it was more successful.