Talk:The Love Songs of W.E.B. Du Bois

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• ... that The Love Songs of W.E.B. Du Bois, the 2021 debut novel by American poet Honorée Fanonne Jeffers, intersperses narrative with "love songs" that illustrate the lives of the protagonist's African, Creek, and Scottish ancestors? Source: [1]

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Created by Drmies (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC).

Interesting book to come, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. Should this appear 27 July, and then perhaps mention it in the hook? Also: do only the love songs provide the insight described? That's how I'd read the hook. - Minor questions for the article:

I am so trained to J. S. Bach - or that Wikipedia style trumps published titles - that W.E.B. strikes me as bold.

In the list of characters, it seems simpler to first name the parents, then the daughter. At that point we know already that she is the protagonist.

• As skin-colour matters, shouldn't it be applied evenly to the characters? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Drmies: The hook is over 200 characters. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Narutolovehinata5, tweak made. Gerda Arendt, I did the characters (roughly) by order of importance. It's not a family tree. I'm not sure what you mean with skin color, unless it's that I capitalize Black and do white in lower case, along with the NYT, the AP, and others. Does that help? Yes, 27 July, that gives us plenty of time, no? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Drmies, thank you for the trimming, Drmies. (I sometimes think that the length of the article name should be taken into account, - this is extra-long, leaving little room to say something.) The question is open if only the love songs illustrate the lives, not the whole book. Same question in the lead, where it says the love songs "provide insight into and detail ...". - Not the whole book? Also open if you intend to move to W. E. B., or risk that it will come up at ERRORS on the day appearing? In the Characters, we have 6 people, light-skinned and "White Man" mentioned for some, and nothing for some others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I indicated color as the secondary sources did; for some characters it matters, apparently, and for others less so. The "White Man" bit is a direct quote. From the reviews it appears that the poems comment on the past, not the present--but obviously I didn't get an advance copy of the book, so I can't answer that and stuck to what the sources said. As for the hook, the article title doesn't count toward the 200 characters. I'm not moving the title--we have a number of articles for organizations and things named for Du Bois that don't have the spaces, and the book certainly doesn't have it. I hope that this will not be a problem for the DYK watchers, or that someone wants to fight over it. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I am with you then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Drmies, I have no idea where you got the idea that the article title doesn't count toward the 200 characters, because that is simply not the case, and never has been at DYK. (Exception: in multi-article hooks, only one of the article titles count in the hook length calculation.) The article title is always part of the 200 maximum, which means that at 229 prose characters, the hook is far too long. I've proposed an ALT1 below that's 199 prose characters, but you may prefer to alter other elements. We need to move fast, since the hook is wanted for the 27 July release date. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that The Love Songs of W.E.B. Du Bois, a new novel by Honorée Fanonne Jeffers, mixes narrative with "love songs" that illuminate the lives of the protagonist's African, Creek, and Scottish ancestors?

Maybe remove "new" before novel? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:00, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I guess we don't want to remove "new", when it's appearing that day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 24 July 2021 (UTC)