Talk:The Lord of the Ice Garden

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Did you know... that The Lord of the Ice Garden, a Polish novel series mixing elements of fantasy and science fiction, has been compared to The Witcher?

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 17:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that The Lord of the Ice Garden, a Polish novel series mixing elements of fantasy and science fiction, has been compared to The Witcher? Source: https://www.ceeol.com/search/chapter-detail?id=586788
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Created by Piotrus (talk) and Kalucky0 (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 11:39, 26 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: The part about the series winning "all major prizes in Polish science fiction" is unreferenced, although the problem could easily be solved by removing "all" from the article if it can't be referenced. BoardGameGeek is an unreliable source due to being user edited. Great job nominating an article by a new editor. SL93 (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC) SL93 (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SL93, Fixed. All is not correct, but frankly, "most" would be arguably correct, or "the most important", even more so. But, that could be editorializng, so "several" should be fine. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus That works. The only issue left is BoardGameGeek, but maybe this source will work. It isn't user edited and it mentions the 2014 English release. SL93 (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SL93, BGG is used simply to prove the existence of the board game, I think it's reliable for that. I am familiar with BGG and at the level of catalog, content has to be verified by moderators (who, arguably, are users too, like Wikipedia admins, shrug). I'd think it is much more reliable and worth linking to than what looks like some minor store page? In either case, we also link to a review on some (minor...) Czech website, and could link to the Kickstarter page ([www.kickstarter.com/projects/redimpgames/the-lord-of-the-ice-garden-strategic-board-game - or not, it seems blacklisted, really?). Here's an interview in Polish with the board game developer (although arguably it's a minor site/blog). Anyway, I concluded that the board game is not notable enough for a stand-alone article, but surely, we can mention it's existence in the article using some of these sources? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:46, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus I will trust your judgment on BoardGameGeek. SL93 (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh man

So, they make this a “did you know?” page and the book is only available in Polish, Czech and Russian. D A Hosek (talk) 21:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@D A Hosek I know. A ton of good literature is not translated. I still remember when I talked in person to a publisher (Baen Books) and they told me "American readers [of sf/fantasy] won't like European sf because it is 'too strange'" so they don't bother with translations... good thing is, few more years, a decade at most, and AI and MT will make it moot - just buy Polish ebook and run it through ChatGPT2030 :P _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]