Talk:The Last Time (Taylor Swift song)/GA1
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Reviewer: Sebbirrrr (talk · contribs) 21:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Picking this up for a review!
Infobox and lead
[edit]- Remove the short description, start date and duration templates as they're all redundant
- Per the guide at {{Infobox song}} using the {{start date}} template is desirable; I believe the template also creates consistent data on Wikidata and Wikipedia of other languages. But I do believe that {{Duration}} is redundant. Ippantekina (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Startdate is fine to use then. The short description one however is not needed as it is generated by the infobox. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per the guide at {{Infobox song}} using the {{start date}} template is desirable; I believe the template also creates consistent data on Wikidata and Wikipedia of other languages. But I do believe that {{Duration}} is redundant. Ippantekina (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Don't think "of Snow Patrol" is necessary
- It's the official credit printed on the CD's notes. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Alright. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's the official credit printed on the CD's notes. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- "taken from Swift's" → "taken from the former's" to avoid repetition as the next sentence begins with Swift
- Done
- "lattermost" → "latter"
- "latter" is used for two objects so "lattermost" is preferable imo. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Aiming to experiment with..." → this sentence is quite long, maybe try to split it?
- Done
- For consistency, you should either have Nashville or Nashville, Tennessee here and in the body
- "the refrain" → "the chorus"
- May I ask why? Refrain is fine imo. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- I just think chorus is more commonly used than refrain but it's not a big deal. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- May I ask why? Refrain is fine imo. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- "In the lyrics" → "Lyrically"
- Done
- Link music critics to Music journalism instead
- I'm not sure; I adhered to WP:NOTBROKEN that we do not fix redirect links in certain cases. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure; I adhered to WP:NOTBROKEN that we do not fix redirect links in certain cases. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Background and release
[edit]- See above for Nashville
- Done
- ""The Last Time" is track number 10..." → not sure if this is necessary as it seems quite irrelevant
- Done
- Isn't November 11 the release date? Ref 10 just lists several singles while ref 11 gives an exact date
- If it was released on the 11th then it wouldn't make much sense that the single charted on the UK chart dated the 10th... either way, I reworded it a bit.
- That's better, but shouldn't the release date in infobox be changed to November 2013 then as that's not an exact date? Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- If it was released on the 11th then it wouldn't make much sense that the single charted on the UK chart dated the 10th... either way, I reworded it a bit.
- Neither source states that Big Machine released it as a single
- Done
- The ref doesn't state that they performed the song on The X-Factor
- Done
- Are there more live performances of the song?
- No, to the best of my knowledge. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Just wondering if they needed their own section with the music video, but that's fine. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- No, to the best of my knowledge. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Composition and lyrics
[edit]- "it is an alternative rock, following" → a word is missing here
- Done
- Ditto. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- See above. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ditto. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Critical reception
[edit]- Rename it to "Critical reception and commercial performance" and insert the commercial performance paragraph as it's quite short
- There are three paragraphs in the Critical reception section now, so I don't see it as a great idea. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Understandable. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are three paragraphs in the Critical reception section now, so I don't see it as a great idea. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- There's a lot of repetition of "[reviewer] of [publication]" and "[reviewer] from [publication]" please fix it
- Done
- Better now, although there still is little repetition for how Stewart's and Clayton-Lea's reviews are introduced. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Done
- "and vocals:" → "and vocals, stating:"
- Done
- Link Taste of Country to Townsquare Media#Web publications and services
- Ditto per WP:NOTBROKEN. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- You still need to link Taste of Country though. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ditto per WP:NOTBROKEN. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- For Clayton-Lea's review, I think you should specify that both this song and "Everything Has Changed" were deemed "desperate attempts"
- Done
Commercial performance
[edit]- See above
- "After Red was released" → "Upon Red's release"
- Done
- "After its UK single release" → WP:OR as it's not explicitly given by the source
- Done
- "for the week of November 10–16, 2013." → "for the week of November 10, 2013."
- Done
- No need to mention the peak positions in Ireland and Scotland, saying they charted in the top 20 is good enough
- Not done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Done now, Ippantekina (talk) 02:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Personnel
[edit]- Tidal ref is dead, can it be replaced with the album's liner notes?
- Done
Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Charts
[edit]- "2012–13" → "2012–2013" per MOS:DATERANGE
- Done
Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
"The Last Time (Taylor's Version)"
[edit]- Remove duration and start date templates
- "under Republic Records imprint" → don't think "imprint" is necessary
- Done
- "on November 11, 2012" → "on November 11, 2021"
- Done
- Move the refs for the peak positions at the end of the sentence
- Done
Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Personnel
[edit]- The div col templates aren't needed as less than 20 people contributed to the song
- Done
Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Charts
[edit]- Isn't it possible to use Template:Singlechart for Canada?
- I added it manually to re-use the Canadian chart for the original version as well. If we use {{single chart}} then we will have two duplicate refs, which I don't favor. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Got it! Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- I added it manually to re-use the Canadian chart for the original version as well. If we use {{single chart}} then we will have two duplicate refs, which I don't favor. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
References
[edit]- Copyvio at 27%, looks fine
- Source check: 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 23, 28, 32
- AllMusic should be tagged as the publisher for ref 4
- Ref 7 is missing access-date
- Ref 9 is dead
- Why are refs 14 and 15 tagged with url-access=limited?
- The LA Times is under a limited paywall (at least for US readers..)
- Didn't appear for me but they can stay I guess. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- The LA Times is under a limited paywall (at least for US readers..)
- Tag ref 23 with via=Newspapers.com
- Ref 26 is missing the date
- Link Billboard for ref 31
- Link Alexis Petridis for ref 32
- I'll AGF for the Perone source
- The ProQuest sources look kind of awkward with the id and via parameters, maybe keep one and remove the other?
- Done
Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Outcome
[edit]On hold for seven days until all issues are fixed! Sebbirrrr (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- I have responded to your comments above :) Ippantekina (talk) 03:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Ippantekina: Good job! I've left more comments to some of your replies. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your patience. I believe all are addressed now, Ippantekina (talk) 02:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Ippantekina: Passing Everything has been addressed! If you have the time, I would really appreciate it if you could take a look at any of my current GANs. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your patience. I believe all are addressed now, Ippantekina (talk) 02:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Ippantekina: Good job! I've left more comments to some of your replies. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)