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Lend-Leased "Tommy Gun"

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@Corriganthe3rd: please, provide a RS that directly says that Thompson SMG in the film was lend-leased. Otherwise, your edit will be canceled. Your attempts to do the original research were unsuccessful.--Nicoljaus (talk) 10:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way to tell exactly where the gun came from, and I never stated that that specific gun in the film was acquired through the Lend-Lease Act. However, Thompson SMGs were given to the USSR through Lend-Lease, and if one was present in the film, mentioning how many of them came into the USSR's hands is worthy of inclusion on the page. Corriganthe3rd (talk) 03:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Corriganthe3rd, as I have already told you many times - you cannot do this: Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources.. This article is about the film, and it talks about a "that specific gun in the film". By posting information that Thompsons <...> came into Soviet hands as they came with US and British tanks provided under Lend Lease. you imply a conclusion that "that specific gun in the film" was provided under Lend Lease.
Further, why in Wikipedia the original synthesis is actually prohibited. When people who are very weak in the subject begin to synthesize sources themselves, they always make a lot of gross mistakes. In this case, you don't understand chronology. The fihting of the Cadets on the Ilyinsky defensive line continued from 6 to 16 October. The first battle of the vanguard, together with the saboteurs of Captain Starchak, where "Tommy gun" is shown in the film, took place on October 6 or 7. At this time, Lend-Lease goods were just beginning to arrive. You yourself provided the link [1]: "the first 20 British tanks arrived at the Soviet tank training school in Kazan on October 28, 1941". In other words, the first tanks arrived only three weeks after the scene shown in the film. And at the front, tanks appeared only at the very end of November and early December of 1941, and this was in a different area, northwest of Moscow.
During the lend-lease, more than 130 thousand Thompson SMGs were delivered to the USSR, but this happened later. Meanwhile, for a long time the USSR did not have its own good SMG, and for special-purpose units (to which the Starchak detachment belongs), these guns were bought abroad since the 1920s. As I said earlier, you can read, for example : [2]--Nicoljaus (talk) 10:03, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't claim that I am "very weak in the subject" and "don't understand chronology." You didn't even bother to read your own link apparently, as it states:

"The exact number of Thompsons purchased by NKVD is not known, but it most likely did not exceed a few hundred guns"

and that

"Not hundreds, but hundreds of thousands of guns were delivered to the Soviet Union during WW2. There are several conflicting sources, but the number that seems to be the most credible is 137,729 (One Hundred Thirty-Seven Thousand Seven Hundred Twenty-Nine) – almost 8% of all the Thompsons produced." The majority of Thompson's came to the USSR via Lend-Lease, not before the war. And please read the second footnote I inserted into the article stating that many of the Land-Lease tanks came before the Battle of Moscow even started. Corriganthe3rd (talk) 00:03, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I ask EdJohnston, who summed up the results at the AN/EW, to evaluate the arguments of the parties.--Nicoljaus (talk) 10:00, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]