Talk:The Killer (1989 film)/GA1

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Reviewer: Xtzou (Talk) 21:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I am reviewing this article and will be adding comments below.

• There are three links that need disambiguation:[1]

• Done. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you. In general, this is a well written article. I think it would help to add a little more detail to orient the reader. For example, in the Lead: " Woo went into filming The Killer with a rough draftthat was influenced by the films Le Samouraï, Mean Streets, and Narazumono." What was it about these films in particular that Woo had in mind? Are these three films about "honour and friendship and the relationship of two seemingly opposite people"?

• I've cleaned this up a little in the lead. It's plot is influenced by Le Samourai and such, while he later referred to the film as a tribute to Melville and Scorsese. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:46, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• I should say that I like the article very much and find the film interesting. The Cast section is a little hard to understand for the novice. I wonder if there is another way to present Cast information, like in a table?

• Thank you! I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to have as a table. Per WP:FILMCAST it suggests to label it how it is currently, while Wikipedia:Table suggests to use just point form instead of a table if there isn't a lot of information to convey. Do you have any other suggestions to make this article cleaned up? Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• ok, just a thought. I am slowly becoming acclimated to the article. I am having a little difficulty following the plot. Xtzou (Talk) 22:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries. If there are still problems I can expand the plot. I was trying to make the plot small per WP:FILMPLOT, but there is tons of room for expansion to make things clear. Cheers. Andrzejbanas (talk)

• Themes - "The structure of the film follows two men on the opposite side of the law who find a relation to each other in their opposition of a greater evil." - What is the greater evil? (Sorry to be dense.) Xtzou (Talk) 22:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

  No don't worry. They team up in order to help Jennie and to stop the leader of the Triads. I'll make a note of that. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

"Both Chang and Jennie meet negative outcomes in the film" - What is Jennie's negative outcome? (other than being blinded) Xtzou (Talk) 22:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It is not clearly shown, but implied that she also dies. After Ah Jong is shot, both Jennie and Ah Jong cry out for each other and crawl to each other blindly. Ah Jong dies and Jennie is seen crawling off on her own still calling his name. Later in the production discussion, it is noted that there was an alternate ending with her living, but in interviews and such, Woo describes her ending as "tragic", implying that she does indeed die. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Can you put some of that in the text? One persona that is not very clear is Jennie. It doesn't say in the plot section that she falls in love with Ah Jong. Her motives are not described. Xtzou (Talk) 23:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I've tried to explain a bit more on how they meet each other in the first paragraph of the plot. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• "Li and Ah Jong's relationship was influenced by the Spy vs. Spy comics from Mad Magazine." - Could you say in what way the relationship was influenced by the comics? Xtzou (Talk) 14:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

• Their relationship is explained in the next sentence with Woo's quote about the two birds. Or is that not specific enough? I can try to rephrase it so it's more obvious. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

• The relationship is explained, but is that the aspect that came from Spy vs. Spy comics? I'm assuming Spy vs. Spy is about such a relationship. If you think it is clear, then that is fine. Xtzou (Talk) 15:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with you that it is explained. I think the article is a very interesting insight into Woo and the film. Xtzou (Talk) 18:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality: Clearly written.

   B. MoS compliance: Complies with required elements of MOS

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources: Reliable sources

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: Well referenced

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects: Sets the context

   B. Focused: Remains focused on the topic

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: Pass!

Congratulations! Very nice job. Xtzou (Talk) 18:26, 31 May 2010 (UTC)